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  • #31
    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    I'm quite familiar how people on MDA generally live. In fear. There are very few people on this forum that are grounded and just go with the flow. Virtually every thread you'll find on the main page is someone terrified of something they shouldn't be afraid of.

    My message is "just eat real food, don't worry about fat and carbs" and the zealots come out in full force!
    What you actually write clearly contradicts your message then. If you truly don't worry bout fat and carbs then you wouldn't push people away from high fat low carb just cause you don't like it. You would make no recommendation whatsoever regarding such if that was your true message. Comprende?

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    • #32
      I can't eat too many fats for half the week because of my lifts. On those days I go low fat / higher carbs to replenish.

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      • #33
        lol at people claiming they don't like the taste of sweets, and never want them.

        keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you'll really believe it.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
          What you actually write clearly contradicts your message then. If you truly don't worry bout fat and carbs then you wouldn't push people away from high fat low carb just cause you don't like it. You would make no recommendation whatsoever regarding such if that was your true message. Comprende?
          He is not contradicting at all. If you don't worry about fats/carbs then you would not deliberately eat high fat. I believe his point is to eat proper foods and whatever ratio they add up to is fine.

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          • #35
            I eat daily around 65% fats, 20% protein, 15% carbs by choice. The foods I like just naturally fall into this range. I'm neither loosing nor gaining weight and find it very easy to maintain with no feelings of hunger or deprivation.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
              What you actually write clearly contradicts your message then. If you truly don't worry bout fat and carbs then you wouldn't push people away from high fat low carb just cause you don't like it. You would make no recommendation whatsoever regarding such if that was your true message. Comprende?
              Not at all. You've spent effort twisting it that way. People selectively diet.
              Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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              • #37
                ChocoTaco,
                you claim that it is virtually impossible to have 60-65% of fat a day without consuming refined oils and other junk. I completely disagree. You may be thinking of a high calorie diet - if you eat, say, 4000 calories a day, then 60% fat would mean about 270 grams of fat. Indeed, that's a lot of fat. If, however, you eat 1600 - 1800 calories like I do, then even 75% of fat is actually just 150 grams which is not difficult to get, especially if you love coconut as much as I do. The only liquid oil I have eaten in months is occasional organic extra virgin olive oil on my salad, usually no more than 1-2 teaspoons, and not every day. Alternatively, you may be underestimating your fat intake. Easily done, by the way. When I started on Primal, I was doing a food journal on Paleotracks, and was surprised how high my fat percentages were. I had thought I ate way less... Finally, what's wrong with grassfed butter, man??? Love the stuff, and judging by Mark's articles, so does he. This is a Primal blog, not strict Paleo.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by amberfox View Post
                  ChocoTaco,
                  you claim that it is virtually impossible to have 60-65% of fat a day without consuming refined oils and other junk. I completely disagree. You may be thinking of a high calorie diet - if you eat, say, 4000 calories a day, then 60% fat would mean about 270 grams of fat. Indeed, that's a lot of fat. If, however, you eat 1600 - 1800 calories like I do, then even 75% of fat is actually just 150 grams which is not difficult to get, especially if you love coconut as much as I do. The only liquid oil I have eaten in months is occasional organic extra virgin olive oil on my salad, usually no more than 1-2 teaspoons, and not every day. Alternatively, you may be underestimating your fat intake. Easily done, by the way. When I started on Primal, I was doing a food journal on Paleotracks, and was surprised how high my fat percentages were. I had thought I ate way less... Finally, what's wrong with grassfed butter, man??? Love the stuff, and judging by Mark's articles, so does he. This is a Primal blog, not strict Paleo.
                  Im pretty sure Taco would put coconut products (oil, milk) and butter into the category of added fats since they are pretty low in nutrition (besides calories!). With only animal products and while foods like avocados and coconuts, nuts, etc, it becomes harder to hit the 60%+ fst area.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Zach View Post
                    Im pretty sure Taco would put coconut products (oil, milk) and butter into the category of added fats since they are pretty low in nutrition (besides calories!). With only animal products and while foods like avocados and coconuts, nuts, etc, it becomes harder to hit the 60%+ fst area.
                    Hmm, fair enough, but I was reacting more to the statement that we cannot reach 60% fat without refined oils in our diet. As for coconut, sure it's caloric, but we do need calories from somewhere - better coconut than pasta, at least for me. Besides, I would not say that coconut is so low in nutrition -- according to a quick check on Paleotrack, half a cup of coconut milk has, for example, Magnesium-11% of RDI, Phosphorus 12%, Zinc 5%, Copper 16%, Manganese 55% (1.099 mg!), Selenium 11%, etc. Plus i have recently discovered homemade coconut kefir - a great source of probiotics that is dairy free (butter and small amounts of hard cheeses are the only dairy products I can eat without feeling bloated and horrible). So, works for me personally.

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                    • #40
                      I get it Choco, Your advice is quite sound.

                      If you push your daily fat % above 60, there must be good food your leaving out some where, food that is gunna give you benefit, in the long run.
                      I would say the same, if someone tried to push their daily carbs above 60% also, your gunna be leaving good food out.

                      In my case, my diet, this is how my macros might look;
                      60f/30p/10c, the next day; 35f/30p/30c, the day after; 10f/20p/70c and so on.
                      Whats my average for a week or month; Balanced 33/33/33

                      50f/25p/25c <<< this should be considered a hi fat diet
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                      Weight lost in 4 months - 29kg (64 lbs)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                        You didn't read my post.

                        I didn't say it's impossible to do on a per-meal basis. What I said is that you can't consistently do it daily. Eating actual food is not going to maintain a 65% calories from fat ratio. You have to go out of your way to exclude fruits, roots and starches and you have to add lots of refined fats, which you did. Over 20% of your fat calories are coming from butter, and another 20% from a seed butter. Neither of these things are real food and quite processed.
                        As I said: the butter is to replace quality subcutaneous fat (which is harder to get) and seed butter is not unnatural. It is seeds that have been crushed. Period. Every tribe in existence with access to seeds or nuts crushes them into a paste of sorts and has access to 1-3 tablespoons worth a day. The San people, for example, crush nuts with locusts and eat the result. About 20g of crushed nut per person.
                        The above is an example of a day, not a meal, and that sort of day is basically how I ate over Winter. I don't actively seek to avoid carbs, but over Winter I didn't really feel like them. I'd have 80-100g/day max, and that's on a 2500+kcal diet. The rest of my food would be fatty meat, offal with butter and cream to replace the fact I can't get grass-fed beef fat (of which I would eat 100+ grams a day, if I had it my way). It's perfectly possible. Eat a few apples or potatoes and then lots of fatty meat (if you can get quality fat; if not then butter), offal and nuts.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          lol at people claiming they don't like the taste of sweets, and never want them.

                          keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you'll really believe it.
                          I like sweet things over Summer. At the moment I'm devouring oranges, cherry tomatoes, honey and dates. Over Winter all I wanted was salty, fatty and bitter things. An apple or a banana would be good, but more than one and I'd lose my appetite. I just wanted coffee, cream, liver and nuts. Unsure why it changed when the weather got warmer, but hey ho.
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                          I get blunter and more narcissistic by the day.
                          I'd apologize, but...

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