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  • Saturated fat... who do you believe?

    In regards to the argument of if saturated fats promote inflammation or not, who do you believe? In this book on page 257 it reads "cholesterol & sat fatty acids block the activities of both the delta 6 & 5 desaturases"... So basically linoleic acid cannot become arachidonic acid, unfortunately alpha linolenic cannot become EPA/DHA either then... But then the Weston A Price site reads "Saturated fats in the diet improve the body's utilization of essential fatty acids"... Then a nutrition & biochem lecturer says that saturated fats divert the conversion of DGLA to arachidonic acid instead of diverting to the less inflammatory PgE1 series... This is doin my head in...

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    I'm more interested in the reported/observed health of traditional societies that have a high proportion of saturated fats in their diet (without the confounding elements of the westernised diet). To be honest, confirmation bias makes following the science by way of experiments on isolated reactions a bit of a minefield.
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    • #3
      The signals my body gives me - which indicate that saturated fat is awesome.

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      • #4
        Read this Inflammation: Which Foods Take the Blame? - Caveman Doctor

        I'm not too satisfied with that first links methods. They tend to expound on how trans-fats go about this process in fair depth, but then just make a quick blurb implicating that saturated fats and cholesterol act "similarly". Well how similar are we talking? Could be that its not similar at all if this is just a judgement call and the authors are sticking with CW. That and when we go to in vivo studies low carb high fat diets reduce inflammatory markers. So thats what I would be more interested in.

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        • #5
          Most trans fats are horrible from the body, except the trans fat found in red meat also known as CLA. Can Some Trans Fats Be Healthy?. I would assume the same thing could be said about saturated fat. Not all saturated fats are equal and I would assume that MCT's are the best.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by danhaych View Post
            In regards to the argument of if saturated fats promote inflammation or not, who do you believe? In this book on page 257 it reads "cholesterol & sat fatty acids block the activities of both the delta 6 & 5 desaturases"... So basically linoleic acid cannot become arachidonic acid, unfortunately alpha linolenic cannot become EPA/DHA either then... But then the Weston A Price site reads "Saturated fats in the diet improve the body's utilization of essential fatty acids"... Then a nutrition & biochem lecturer says that saturated fats divert the conversion of DGLA to arachidonic acid instead of diverting to the less inflammatory PgE1 series... This is doin my head in...
            This is all fantastic news, and it's a reason why I believe saturated fats to be by far the healthiest fats one can consume.

            Polyunsaturated fat are very inflammatory and slow thyroid function, resulting in a slower and less efficient metabolism. Because SFA's displace PUFA's, they have a net positive effect on the metabolic rate and best support thyroid function. A more robust thyroid and metabolic rate means a healthier you!

            The fact that SFA's inhibit omega 3's as well is more great news. I see no health benefits to omega 3's. Studies showing epidemiological benefits are full of confounding factors - the main one being that societies that eat lots of fish tend to eat less processed foods in general. I don't think it's the fish consumption helping, but rather the avoidance of frankenfoods. On the other hand, every day that goes by shows fish oil supplementation to be more and more toxic and cancerous. Keep the omega 3's even further away from me than the omega 6's since omega 3's are longer chain, and therefore more fragile and prone to oxidation/trans-fat conversion/free radical damage.

            The only fats I use to cook with anymore are pastured butter/ghee and virgin coconut oil. I'm cool with extra virgin olive oil, but it's so hard to find the "real stuff" anymore I limit its use. If you can find good quality California olive oil that is deep green, solidifies in the fridge and burns on the way down, I say have at that, too. I wouldn't consume any other oils other than those three by choice.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ron_Swanson View Post
              Not all saturated fats are equal
              can you give your opinion on this Ron?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ron_Swanson View Post
                Most trans fats are horrible from the body, except the trans fat found in red meat also known as CLA. Can Some Trans Fats Be Healthy?. I would assume the same thing could be said about saturated fat. Not all saturated fats are equal and I would assume that MCT's are the best.
                Yeah, I wish that transfat labeling would distinguish between artificial transfats and natural ones. Although reading the ingredients helps. But I just recently checked out some restaurant nutritional information and I just have no idea if the transfats in their items are natural or not. Red meat and cheese were involved so they could be.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                  I see no health benefits to omega 3's.
                  You don't think there is any health benefits eating Sardines, Salmon, Grass fed beef/offal, Quail, Berries, Avocados, Leafy greens, Walnuts, Pumpkin?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sting View Post
                    You don't think there is any health benefits eating Sardines, Salmon, Grass fed beef/offal, Quail, Berries, Avocados, Leafy greens, Walnuts, Pumpkin?
                    omega 3 != anything you just said

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by statikcat View Post
                      omega 3 != anything you just said
                      what have i understood wrong now?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sting View Post
                        You don't think there is any health benefits eating Sardines, Salmon, Grass fed beef/offal, Quail, Berries, Avocados, Leafy greens, Walnuts, Pumpkin?
                        There's no evidence out there that will convince an entrenched view...I consider omega three to be a key component of an ancestral diet. It ties in so well with the evidence. It's almost as well correlated as smoking and cancer. Still maybe cigarettes aren't bad we have just done too many dodgy studies?
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                        • #13
                          Just if we talk about oils themselves a lot of people don't know that GMO cottonseed oil is high in saturated fat (22% of oil) compared to most other oils (only less to coconut and palm). If it is full hydrogenated it breaks the bonds and the cottonseed oil then because the most saturated oil in the planet (93% of it becomes saturated).

                          Now on to the individual fats. Lauric Acid and Palmitic Acid would be your best Saturated fats. This fats are the highest in coconut, palm, butter and ground beef. Following those would be butyric acid which is very important into the production of butyrates which are good for the maintaining the integrity of the intestines. Next, would be stearic acid which is the highest in chocolate (which has been shown to lower LDL cholesterol). Finally, the last fatty acid would be Mystric acid which is just found in Coconut Oil and Butter.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sting View Post
                            You don't think there is any health benefits eating Sardines, Salmon, Grass fed beef/offal, Quail, Berries, Avocados, Leafy greens, Walnuts, Pumpkin?
                            Depends what you compare it to.

                            Do I think "Sardines, Salmon, Avocado, and Walnuts" are healthier than the typical processed foods that Americans eat on a daily basis? Oh yea. By leaps and bounds. They're all very nutrient-dense and clearly "real food."

                            I left out "Grass fed beef/offal, Quail, Berries, Avocados, Leafy greens, and Pumpkin" because they are all poor sources of omega 3's, and I would consider this list to be superior to the first list.

                            It's a difference between "good food" and "optimal food." Pastured chicken is good food. Grassfed beef is optimal food. I don't think there is anything optimal about any nut - better than grains yes, but not as good as meat, fruit, starchy tubers and quality dairy. I value starches, fruits and squashes more than I value greens as well due to nutrient availability. Not much of the nutrition in greens is digestible, and the fiber is insoluble vs soluble in fruits, starches and squashes, so it is not as compatible with gut health. Greens also tend to be goitrogenic, meaning they slow the thyroid, while fruits and starches increase thyroid function. I enjoy berries, but as far as health value goes I'd rank them near the bottom because they force you to eat the seeds. Berries are one of the few fruits with a measurable lectin content. I'd put melons and sweet tropical fruits like mangoes above them, but that's getting really anal retentive and ridiculous IMO. I just ate 2 lbs of strawberries last week.
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                            • #15
                              You need to intake both Omega 3's and Omega 6's to maintain proper cell wall integrity.

                              You have to have omega 6's to make archadonic acid though that is why either a 3:1 omega 3 to omega 6 or 4:1 is a good idea to have. You need some omega 6 if you didn't then you would have trouble making prostagladins. Remember inflammation is needed by the body for protection, its just EXCESS INFLAMMATION which is bad just like excess Omega 6's that causes excess inflammation. Also not all omega 6's are the same was well the source of your omega 6 either leaves you with LA (not that great) or GLA (the GOOD OMEGA 6). GLA is converted into DGLA in the body if you are sufficient in magnesium, zinc, and vitamins C, B3, and B6. DGLA is pro good inflammatory response.

                              And if you don't believe me about inflammation being good take a lot of SOD. You die rather quickly from the lack of inflammatory responses in the body.
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