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  • #16
    Originally posted by MaceyUK View Post
    There's no evidence out there that will convince an entrenched view...I consider omega three to be a key component of an ancestral diet. It ties in so well with the evidence. It's almost as well correlated as smoking and cancer. Still maybe cigarettes aren't bad we have just done too many dodgy studies?
    Studies revolving around omega 3's today are reminiscent of studies revolving around omega 6's 40 years ago. I see little compelling evidence showing they're important, and none showing they're "essential fatty acids." I do, however, see concrete fact that they are extremely prone to oxidation, particularly EPA and DHA. They are the most fragile fats in nature.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ron_Swanson View Post
      You need to intake both Omega 3's and Omega 6's to maintain proper cell wall integrity.

      You have to have omega 6's to make archadonic acid though that is why either a 3:1 omega 3 to omega 6 or 4:1 is a good idea to have. You need some omega 6 if you didn't then you would have trouble making prostagladins. Remember inflammation is needed by the body for protection, its just EXCESS INFLAMMATION which is bad just like excess Omega 6's that causes excess inflammation. Also not all omega 6's are the same was well the source of your omega 6 either leaves you with LA (not that great) or GLA (the GOOD OMEGA 6). GLA is converted into DGLA in the body if you are sufficient in magnesium, zinc, and vitamins C, B3, and B6. DGLA is pro good inflammatory response.

      And if you don't believe me about inflammation being good take a lot of SOD. You die rather quickly from the lack of inflammatory responses in the body.
      Why do you "need" to take in omega 3 and omega 6?
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      • #18
        I explained it in the post the body needs some archadonic acid so you have to take in some omega 6's. You also need to take in either ALA, DHA or EPA for your omega 3. I not talking about supplementing Omega 6 or Omega 3 in one's diet, but you do need some intake in food. You don't eat nuts at all? You don't use Olive Oil or eat any fish?
        Your body can't adequately make all the fatty acids it needs from saturated fats, you need some Mufas and Pufas as well. Plants and fish can do it though humans cannot. We cannot make ALA or archadonic acid ourselves. If you ate nothing but saturated fat and no other fats your cell membrane integrity would be horrible.
        Last edited by Ron_Swanson; 06-17-2013, 09:37 AM.
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        • #19
          Most of these studies that were done on patients taking supplements. I might agree the supplements might be bogus (because even the best fish oil supplement might lack a compound destroyed in processing that you get from eating the fish itself) but to think that getting Omega 3's from fish doesn't do anything for your body is absurd. Saturated Fats, and good Omega 3's and Omega 6's in balance is what makes a healthy human being.
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          • #20
            Wow you are against Omega 3 and Omega 6's, but you ate a ton of fructose (and if those strawberries weren't organic some of the worse fluoride pesticides you can ingest). There are studies a mile wide that prove that fructose consumption should be kept to a bare minimum of no more than 20 grams a day. Greens are goitrogenic RAW, if you steam them the goitogenic property is great lessened, even almost non existent. To limit Broccoli consumption completely because it is goitrogenic is ludicrous. Broccoli is great for you, DIM and I3C in broccoli is important to any male in this estrogen filled toxic world.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ron_Swanson View Post
              I explained it in the post the body needs some archadonic acid so you have to take in some omega 6's. You also need to take in either ALA, DHA or EPA for your omega 3.
              I understand. What I'm saying is what makes you think the human body needs some arachidonic acid? "Need" implies it is essential. Technically you don't need to eat any carbohydrate if you eat adequate protein, or any fat since the body can manufacture SFA and MUFA from sugars.
              Originally posted by Ron_Swanson View Post
              Wow you are against Omega 3 and Omega 6's, but you ate a ton of fructose (and if those strawberries weren't organic some of the worse fluoride pesticides you can ingest). There are studies a mile wide that prove that fructose consumption should be kept to a bare minimum of no more than 20 grams a day. Greens are goitrogenic RAW, if you steam them the goitogenic property is great lessened, even almost non existent. To limit Broccoli consumption completely because it is goitrogenic is ludicrous. Broccoli is great for you, DIM and I3C in broccoli is important to any male in this estrogen filled toxic world.
              I strongly disagree that fructose has any negative effect on the body. I'm not interested in epidemiological "studies" that show people consuming 1,000 calories of HFCS a day is harmful. That's a no-brainer. I've yet to see a study showing fruit to be unhealthy when reasonable consumption is exercised. If you're going to stuff your face to a huge caloric surplus daily, it probably doesn't matter what it is - it isn't healthy.

              I soak my fruits in hot, soapy water. Strawberries get washed and the tops are removed. I'm not worried. I didn't say I didn't eat greens. I eat 3 heads of romaine a week, along with a 3 lb bag of green peppers. Carrots...so many carrots. I simply said potatoes are healthier.
              Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 06-17-2013, 12:15 PM.
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              • #22
                The funny thing about arachidonic acid is that most pro fish oil research is going to show how it protects against arachidonic acid

                Essential fatty acids are toxic to in warm-blooded respiring animals, this is why your body doesn't produce any. PUFA in abundance is found in icy climates, or from nuts and seeds that have to germinate in cool weather after freezing winters.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                  The funny thing about arachidonic acid is that most pro fish oil research is going to show how it protects against arachidonic acid

                  Essential fatty acids are toxic to in warm-blooded respiring animals, this is why your body doesn't produce any. PUFA in abundance is found in icy climates, or from nuts and seeds that have to germinate in cool weather after freezing winters.
                  Fish don't produce much SFA because if they did, they'd freeze in the water. SFA is rock hard at refrigerator temperatures. Similarly, PUFA, specifically omega 3, is liquid at freezing temperatures. They have PUFA out of necessity. For us, more than incidental is bad news because it causes cell membrane leakage and rapid oxidation in our warm blooded temperatures. SFA and MUFA don't experience this, which is why my original post shows oleic acid having very low AGE production while omega 6 c:18 and c:20 are both through the roof. Glucose stores mostly as SFA with some MUFA, so it is very stable as well.

                  Mind you, I don't believe eating walnuts has the same effect as canola oil, and I don't believe eating wild salmon has the same effect as taking refined fish oil. The vitamin and mineral content, particularly Vitamin E and furan fatty acids listed below seem to mitigate the risk. I don't think anyone is going to die from eating salmon. From consuming hexane-extracted salmon oil...well...that's different.

                  I'm not extreme about this. I just think there are better choices. Why use avocado oil when you can use coconut oil or ghee, for instance.

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                  Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 06-17-2013, 01:24 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    I soak my fruits in hot, soapy water. Strawberries get washed and the tops are removed.
                    Choco, how long do you soak them for?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                      I see no health benefits to omega 3's.
                      I find this opinion hard to swallow, one need only search google scholar and find studies where 3's have provided some benefit for something.

                      Originally posted by Ron_Swanson View Post
                      Also not all omega 6's are the same. the source of your omega 6 either leaves you with LA (not that great) or GLA (the GOOD OMEGA 6). GLA is converted into DGLA in the body if you are sufficient in magnesium, zinc, and vitamins C, B3, and B6. DGLA is pro good inflammatory response.

                      And if you don't believe me about inflammation being good take a lot of SOD. You die rather quickly from the lack of inflammatory responses in the body.
                      A nutrition and biochem lecturer said the problem with too much saturated fat from animals favours DGLA conversion to AA instead of DGLA producing PgE1 or something like that. Im thinking that if sat fat does indeed inhibits delta 5 & 6 desaturase then neither ALA or LA can proceed past ETA or DGLA so DGLA could be converted to PgE1 but if the diet contained animals that specifically contained AA such as tuna, pork, duck, chicken which contain the highest amount of AA (aside from salmon), then that AA would unfortunately proceed to the proinflammatory eicosanoids. But supplementing with or eating foods high in specifically EPA could counter through conversion to the less inflammatory eicosanoids.

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                      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                      Studies revolving around omega 3's today are reminiscent of studies revolving around omega 6's 40 years ago. I see little compelling evidence showing they're important, and none showing they're "essential fatty acids." I do, however, see concrete fact that they are extremely prone to oxidation, particularly EPA and DHA. They are the most fragile fats in nature.
                      You mentioned similar in another thread of mine but I posted an interesting study that may prove that EFAs are "Essential"

                      Originally posted by danhaych View Post

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                      • #26
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                        the "requirement" of these fatty acids to prevent "deficiency" in the diet is so miniscule, and research can't point out that number, or whether or not other portions of the diet provide all necessary synthesis steps, such as b6, zinc, magnesium, calcium, etc;
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by danhaych View Post



                          A nutrition and biochem lecturer said the problem with too much saturated fat from animals favours DGLA conversion to AA instead of DGLA producing PgE1 or something like that. Im thinking that if sat fat does indeed inhibits delta 5 & 6 desaturase then neither ALA or LA can proceed past ETA or DGLA so DGLA could be converted to PgE1 but if the diet contained animals that specifically contained AA such as tuna, pork, duck, chicken which contain the highest amount of AA (aside from salmon), then that AA would unfortunately proceed to the proinflammatory eicosanoids. But supplementing with or eating foods high in specifically EPA could counter through conversion to the less inflammatory eicosanoids.
                          This seems interesting if only i could understand it anyone care to translate it in layman's

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                          • #28
                            Art has a good view here.

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                            • #29
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by sting View Post
                                This seems interesting if only i could understand it anyone care to translate it in layman's
                                does this help?

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