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  • Are their any cultures that skip breakfast?

    just wondering...

  • #2
    yes....I read about people of the Caucasus mountains only eating one meal a day; dinner. Though it was said they might munch on something small, in between, but it was not a meal.

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    • #3
      Breakfast is pretty much a modern invention, and one of the best thing I have ever done is to skip eating in the AM...
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      • #4
        I have been thinking about this breakfast thing. Some experts say yes, others say no.

        I have been thinking and wondering, why would there be a question, either it's yes or it's no, no gray.

        Then I got to wondering and thinking, probably Grok didnt eat breakfast, but Grok was already lean and mostly just trying to survive and get through the day. He probably didnt have all the health and metabolism issues that we have now.

        So I am thinking, that no breakfast is optimum. I do believe that IF till lunch is good for autophagy and all. However..... when you have other issues, like fat issues, and maybe an effed up metabolism issue, or whatever, maybe those experts that say yes to breakfast in order to jumpstart the day, maybe that is what the modern day effed up body needs?

        But those who are already lean, or those who are losing just fine with good foods and have no other issues, they can thrive with no breakfast. Grok probably didnt need to jumpstart anything. He was doing good to hold onto what he had, so postponing firing up the metabolism in terms of fat loss, was optimum for him.

        Just yakking. I don't know. I just know that when I ate more often, but smaller meals - like 3 meals and 2 snacks (yes CW) I lost weight. I switched to IF, and even before long I was 24-48. Many many days just eating once a day, and weight loss screeched to a halt. Sure I would lose a few pounds on multi-fasting days, but it came right back when normal eating resumed. That went on for months and months. I was just so happy to see the downs, that I didnt recognize that the ups resulted in no real progress.

        Now I am back to eating breakfast again - it might be 30 minutes or it might be 2 hours when I get around to it, especially on the days that I get up round 5. But then I eat 3 small meals with 2 snacks, and basically the same foods I was eating before and not losing, now I am losing again. Might not have anything at all to do with breakfast, but it just got me to thinking.

        I dont know if I am saying what I want to say. Breakfast may be something relatively new and modern, but we have new and modern fat issues that we did not use to have. Grok probably didnt need to jumpstart his metabolism. kwim?

        And who says breakfast has to be a sit down with bacon, eggs & coffee. Maybe he just grabbed a big ole hunk of drumstick on the way out the cave.

        I dont know. Just a thought.
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        • #5
          Even though in the aggregate these studies may have found small but significant differences, I think individual differences are probably greater. It's back to n=1 for best results.

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          • #6
            I grew up eating a big breakfast in the summer and not much in the winter. But we lived on a farm and worked hard manual labor from morning til evening with a moderate lunch. So I think in that situation, breakfast is really a great thing. When the school year started and we were back at our desks for most of the day, I never wanted breakfast and didn't really need it.

            So I'm not sure our lifestyles today demand a breakfast early in the day. At least mine doesn't.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by gopintos View Post
              Then I got to wondering and thinking, probably Grok didn't eat breakfast, but Grok was already lean and mostly just trying to survive and get through the day. . . .Maybe he just grabbed a big ole hunk of drumstick on the way out the cave.
              But Grokina was usually nursing, pregnant and/or taking care of little kids. She and the kids needed food. And she was gathering. No way will I believe that she didn't eat as she was gathering. Keep in mind that she had very little in the way of containers for carrying food home.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hedonist2 View Post
                But Grokina was usually nursing, pregnant and/or taking care of little kids. She and the kids needed food. And she was gathering. No way will I believe that she didn't eat as she was gathering. Keep in mind that she had very little in the way of containers for carrying food home.

                This is true. Probably So much of what I read, on here and various places, is geared more for Grok and I have to remind myself that what is good for Grok, is not always good for (or the same for) Grokette, umm Grokina
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                • #9
                  Breakfast was not normally eaten unless by children, frail and laborers until ~ 15th-16th century in Medieval Europe. The meal times were ~ 9-10 am (it was called 'dinner' iirc) and then at 4-6 pm, depending on the light cycle - it was considered unhealthy to eat prior to being hungry. Shortages of food + no sources of artificial light did it. As prosperity increased, the # of meals increased. When breakfast was taken, it was spare, like bread soaked in watered wine (that's seem to come from antiquity). At least that's what the Last Days of Richard the III book went on at length about (while trying to establish how Richard spent his last day). In addition, most cultures traditionally had much more strict fasting and eating limitations due to religious reasons than the Paleo/Primal community can imagine.

                  So, if you believe that, European cultures traditionally did not eat breakfast and fasted frequently.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hedonist2 View Post
                    But Grokina was usually nursing, pregnant and/or taking care of little kids. She and the kids needed food. And she was gathering. No way will I believe that she didn't eat as she was gathering. Keep in mind that she had very little in the way of containers for carrying food home.
                    Perhaps she nibbles....kind of like the warrior diet. Some nuts or berries and such through the day with 1 large meal in the evening. Makes sense to me.

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                    • #11
                      While I can understand many of the arguments against breakfast, I have much more control over breakfast compared to lunch with coworkers. So I definitely eat breakfast. I'm not trying to lose weight and I see breakfast as a way to keep a larger percentage of my diet clean.

                      As far as what Grok did, I don't think most societies would have had set meal times at all. You ate when you had something to eat. In "Don't Sleep, There are Snakes", a book by a man who lived deep in the amazon with a hunter gatherer tribe, it says they fished at all hours and ate whenever they caught something.

                      Because different fish can be caught at different times of the day and night, Piraha men can be found out fishing at any time. A Piraha man is as likely to be found fishing at 3 a.m. as at 3 p.m. or 6 a.m. Four to sixhours per day will usually supply a family with enough protein for the twenty-four-hour period. But if there are sons in the family of sufficient age, then the males will rotate the fishing responsibilities on different days. If someone catches fish at 3 a.m., then that is when it will be
                      eaten. Everyone will get up to eat as soon as it is brought in.
                      I thought this was also interesting in that it conflicts with the common emphasis on a full night's sleep in most paleo circles. The Piraha seemed to feel sleeping deeply was dangerous (hence the title of the book) and just did quick naps.

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                      • #12
                        Maybe its just a collage student thing but I kind of thought ours was, at least in practice. Everyone knows the CW ideal of always getting breakfast but I never knew anyone that actually got breakfast every morning. Most students I know get up just in time to roll out of bed and plop into a desk chair, then they eat after. My parents never really ate breakfast either. My dad especially; he might have a piece of dry toast, then eat nothing til dinner. Personally, breakfast foods aren't my favorite so I often skip it. Especially when school is in session.
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                        • #13
                          I suppose, insofar as the paleo movement is a new culture, you could argue that we do..? Or at least, we don't place any importance on breakfast, unless you happen to be hungry.

                          Breakfast seems to me to be connected to organised labour cultures - your employer doesn't want you wandering off at 11am to make food, when time is money, so 'breakfast is the most important meal of the day' becomes some sort of mantra. It is important - just not for the person eating it.
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                          • #14
                            An Italian student here told me her peers prefer to sleep in, slam a double espresso, then get to work.

                            Putting the body into digestive mode right away might work for children, laborers, and athletes. But a desk worker who needs an immediate dose of energy to function seems more like marketing than biology.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eig View Post
                              Most students I know get up just in time to roll out of bed and plop into a desk chair, then they eat after.
                              My kids, youngest son now 19, were never breakfast eaters. At least my boys. I guess my girls were though, but my boys, lean and trim and strong, seem to really only eat when hungry. Quite the concept. And it needs to be something of substance, and hours and hours and hours after starting their day. And they eat once, maybe twice a day, about 8 - 10 hours apart. Now that my daughters are grown, I do remember the oldest saying not all that long ago, that now if she eats breakfast, it just makes her hungrier all day. They don't have any weight issues. Very active. Nothing broken that needs fixing.
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