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    I find my body works at its best when I'm eating fish, game, tubers, roots and berries, sometimes adding other fruit, eggs, leafy greens...etc
    This is very similar to what would have been the diet Slavic populations would have eaten during the time they were 'becoming' Slavic (aka: as they were developing the traits we call "Slavic", they were eating this diet). I happen to be phenotypically Slavic (in other words, my genetics are a mix, but the genes that express themselves are the Slavic ones). The main difference for me is that over Spring and Summer I seem to want to eat any fruit, even ones that don't have a nutritional counterpart in Eastern Europe. Canteloupes, anyone?
    I started eating this way accidentally and sometimes deviate from it for financial reasons. But, since I noticed the link between Eastern European food sources and the foods that make me feel at my best, I've been aiming to keep it closer to what I want to eat, rather than just go for anything that's cheap.

    For example, two meals that make me feel awesome:
    Roast game with roast tubers or roots and some berries; or fish stew with tubers, roots and butter.
    Now I've just had half a pheasant (the fat was yellow and delicious!), two potatoes, a parsnip, 50g of butter and a cup of berries. I'm feeling full, warm and happy and the energy is sinking in.


    So, in what ways does your diet fit in with a geographic location/specific ethnic diet? Is this intentional, or did you just happen to start eating that way? Does it match your ancestry, or are you an Egyptian who eats the sort of foods available in North China?
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    I'm Bosnian/Croatian.
    Never even crossed my mind that this had any impact on what I like eating, apart from nurture. I was raised to everything so now I'm very versatile in my tastes.
    I was also raised with a constant supply of home baked bread. However, I don't function well on it today. I prefer the goods you mentioned for how they make me feel, but I have no clue if it has anything to do with my genetics and what Slavs used to eat...

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    • #3
      Similar to First Nations, and also me,from northern Finland in terms of 100% of my bloodline.

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      • #4
        I've always tolerated nightshades pretty well which is a good thing since tomatoes, eggplant, sweet and hot peppers, were definitely part of what I grew up on. Also cheeses, both hard and soft (ricotta), and cured meats like hard salami and prosciutto. And though we didn't eat fresh fish too often, cans of anchovies, and smoked clams/oyster/mussels were definitely around for snacks or parties. The holidays almost always had one or two squid dishes. Canned clams were used in sauces. We also ate a lot of pork, and as soon as I find a trustworthy, local source of pork, I'm sure I'll return to it. I loved the stuff and pre-primal, I probably ate as much of it as I did beef. There were always lemons, or at the very least "Real Lemon" in a bottle.

        Antipasto, again mostly at the holidays or if my dad went to the city where he could go to the good delis, was cured meats, hard cheeses, olives, giardiniera, etc.

        All of those things are comfort foods for me, and while I occasionally daydream about crispy baguettes, I'm pretty much over pasta.

        The one thing we didn't have in our Sicilian household was oddly enough, olive oil. But that was only because it made my mother's nose itch.
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        • #5
          I am part Han Chinese, part Manchurian...

          Manchurian people never really had an agricultural culture...they were very much like the Mongolians and ate tons of meat (especially lamb/goat), some foraged berries/etc, and almost no grains until much much later (13th century? I believe? When they conquered China).

          As a result, I do VERY well on a diet with mostly meat and butter. I am naturally muscular. I gain weight whenever I eat carb sources even when I'm very active (tons of weight training and slow moving). I also have a strange affinity for anything lamb (this might be also due to growing up in Uyghur-populated Urumqi as a child though).
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          • #6
            I'm not sure what my diet would look like if I ate from my heritage since they come from drastically different places: European on one side, Apache/Mexican on the other.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Allenete View Post
              I'm Bosnian/Croatian.
              Never even crossed my mind that this had any impact on what I like eating, apart from nurture. I was raised to everything so now I'm very versatile in my tastes.
              I was also raised with a constant supply of home baked bread. However, I don't function well on it today. I prefer the goods you mentioned for how they make me feel, but I have no clue if it has anything to do with my genetics and what Slavs used to eat...
              It definitely plays a part, especially if you're one of the few who come from one ethnicity or if you are phenotypically very close to one. Think about it: our skintones vary based on how much sun we got in the areas we developed, some groups have rounder faces with flatter features to avoid frostbite, some have longer limbs for running down fast prey... It's just logical that our digestive tracts would have been shaped by our environment too.
              If someone is 100% Inuit, they'll probably have smaller large intestines and larger livers as compared to someone who's 100% South Indian, making them far more adapted to a very high meat diet. I know it's an extreme example, but it gives you an idea. Being omnivores, humans' bodies vary wildly and any variation (teeth structure, intestine length, pancreas size...) will change how your body processes food, making your needs almost individual. But, due to environmental pressures, certain forms of the digestive tract will be more common in one ethnicity than another, meaning that our ancestral diets as races can have a bearing on our optimal diets as individuals.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by turquoisepassion View Post
                I am part Han Chinese, part Manchurian...

                Manchurian people never really had an agricultural culture...they were very much like the Mongolians and ate tons of meat (especially lamb/goat), some foraged berries/etc, and almost no grains until much much later (13th century? I believe? When they conquered China).

                As a result, I do VERY well on a diet with mostly meat and butter. I am naturally muscular. I gain weight whenever I eat carb sources even when I'm very active (tons of weight training and slow moving). I also have a strange affinity for anything lamb (this might be also due to growing up in Uyghur-populated Urumqi as a child though).
                The Manchurian may explain why you don't do well on many carbs. *nods* Do you think it's the dominant line in any other way? I'd assume that being naturally muscular is from the Manchurian line, but I have known some Han Chinese to be good at developing muscle too, plus your facial features look very Han, implying your body structure may be too... Or I'm over-analyzing. I just find genetics particularly interesting.

                Also, isn't it brilliant how history goes? Think about the Vikings, the Slavs, the Mongolians, the Manchurians...
                1: Eat a 'wild' diet of meat, fruit, tubers, berries, leaves, eggs and maybe dairy in varying proportions.
                2: Proceed to kick some agricultural @$$.
                3: Eat and live more and more like the agricultural societies.
                4: Proceed to become weaker and less significant as a people due to the radical diet and lifestyle change.
                5a: Return to pastoralism.
                5b: Be conquered and/or assimilated by a new group.
                The pattern shows a clear trend: if you steal land, don't eat what the original owner grew on it!
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                I'd apologize, but...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                  I'm not sure what my diet would look like if I ate from my heritage since they come from drastically different places: European on one side, Apache/Mexican on the other.
                  What European areas?
                  Also, in what ways is your diet different from/similar to the traditional foods of either bloodline?
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                  I'd apologize, but...

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                  • #10
                    Well, I'm part Native American and I like pemmican. Does that count?

                    Most of us are such mixed mutts genetically that the only diet that makes sense is the one that works for you, the individual.

                    If you can trace yourself to "A People" and choose to eat that way, great. Most of us have multiple peoples.

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                    • #11
                      2 different tribes of indian and some of everything from europe, i have no idea what i'd be suited for genetically
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                      • #12
                        I'm very into genealogy, and in let's say the Occidental areas (Europe, West Asia and Asia Minor) the intermarriage of rulers and their desirability for further intermarriage pretty much has everyone related to everyone. If you look at one village or family line, there is enough diversity that I'm not sure a population analysis is going to give you the right answer- there is and was still a considerable amount of variation in a population.

                        I actually had genetic testing done through 23andme.com as well as additional genetic testing related to specific conditions. Obviously I can't comment about the results on a public message board too specifically, but there was one thing I would call a surprise that I now have additional ongoing screening for, the other things I already knew about or was being screened for because of family history.

                        ETA: Instead of a population view, specific family history can be useful.
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                        • #13
                          I totally get that perhaps most people are a mixed bag of genetic material. I never thought about it much until about 10 years ago I was in Guatemala in a small Maya Quiche village school and my friend (the principal) introduced me as Indigenous from Finland, and I thought, well....yes I am. My parents, their parents, etc. into 1000s of years of history are from the north of Finland. They were hunters and gatherers, much like the Indigenous of Canada, and returning to a 21st century version of that WOE is what my body tells me is good and proper.

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                          • #14
                            This Finnish example is what I mean- I have Swedish ancestors via my royal lines and "my people" are not Swedish. It is almost statistically impossible that you are not a descendant of Charlemagne, so you have North Africa and Asia Minor in your ancestry. the Swedish Royal family tended to look east, so you likely also have Russian ancestry though I don't know the percentage likelihood of that.
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                            • #15
                              @loafing cactus:
                              But phenotypes are very good indicators. If you're very mixed and look like you are, then your diet could be anything. But if you're very mixed and take strongly after a certain ethnicity, then chances are your ideal diet would be VERY close to their ancestral diet.

                              I know most people don't come from one ethnicity, but if you're over 7/8ths something, you'll probably be close to them in every sense and if you look like something, likewise. Some ethnicities carry very dominant traits that show, whilst some sort of blend into each other until you're not sure if your liver is from your mum's side of the family or your dad's, because your face and body are true composites.
                              If you can look in the mirror (or go to someone who's practiced reading ethnicity) and say "I know I'm a mix, but I REALLY look like I'm ....." then chances are you're like them on the inside too. Hence, you'll do best on a diet like the one they evolved eating.
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                              Perfection is entirely individual. Any philosophy or pursuit that encourages individuality has merit in that it frees people. Any that encourages shackles only has merit in that it shows you how wrong and desperate the human mind can get in its pursuit of truth.

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                              I get blunter and more narcissistic by the day.
                              I'd apologize, but...

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