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  • #16
    Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
    1700 kCal is practically nothing. If you're not losing weight from 160 lbs on 1700 calories, your metabolism is working way too slow. Encouraging it to slow down further is not the solution. Feeding it nutritious, healthy food in sufficient quantities for a period of time until it gets the message that this is the new normal is a better way to go, IMO.
    1700 calories is practically nothing for a female? Laughable..

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    • #17
      Actually, OP just follow the trend here and you might as well just eat all the fat and food your heart desires. There is no such thing as overeating on FAT.. as long as it is healthy. Just keep the carbs low and nurtient dense food will magically make those fat calories disappear. You can end up like most people on this forum and paleo authors who are still overweight just not obese anymore. Good goal to have.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by statikcat View Post
        1700 calories is practically nothing for a female? Laughable..
        For a 105 lb female, it may be more than enough. We're talking about someone who weighs 160 lbs. Nobody's advising her to consciously overeat, but further restricting calories is a positive feedback loop. Starvation-->decreased metabolism-->need for further starvation to lose weight-->further depressed metabolism ad infinitum. I think this is bad advice. I have seen people take some time for the adjustment. But one day, their body seems to wake up to the fact that the new nutrition infusion isn't going away, and a "whoosh" like Knifegill describes happens effortlessly. Your n=1 may vary.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
          I lost a pound per month for two years after the whoosh. Nothing wrong with that. This is for life, there's no hurry!
          1lb is better than 0lb! However, most people can drop a lot faster than that with proper planning.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            For a 105 lb female, it may be more than enough. We're talking about someone who weighs 160 lbs. Nobody's advising her to consciously overeat, but further restricting calories is a positive feedback loop. Starvation-->decreased metabolism-->need for further starvation to lose weight-->further depressed metabolism ad infinitum. I think this is bad advice. I have seen people take some time for the adjustment. But one day, their body seems to wake up to the fact that the new nutrition infusion isn't going away, and a "whoosh" like Knifegill describes happens effortlessly. Your n=1 may vary.
            Whao, starvation?? I am simply stating 1700 calories - 200 for her being on her feet all day is about 1500.. which is very realistic maintenance calories for avg height female at 160. It varies by person of course this is a bit of averaging. If you cut calories to loose weight.. YES it is important not to overcut and starve yourself.. I never said to do that. I said find satiating foods for your caloric needs. If you keep 100 calories below your maintenance or something reasonable your body will be burning fat for that missing energy. That is basics. You can't loose any fat weight.. without.. burning fat.
            Last edited by statikcat; 06-14-2013, 08:56 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by statikcat View Post
              Whao, starvation?? I am simply stating 1700 calories - 200 for her being on her feet all day is about 1500.. which is very realistic maintenance weight for avg height female at 160. It varies by person of course this is a bit of averaging. If you cut calories to loose weight.. YES it is important not to overcut and starve yourself.. I never said to do that. I said find satiating foods for your caloric needs. If you keep 100 calories below your maintenance or something reasonable your body will be burning fat for that missing energy. That is basics. You can't loose any fat weight.. without.. burning fat.
              I disagree about the 1700 calories being enough for a 160 lb person. Sure, but it will be easier to get yourself to burn fat if your metabolism is working optimally than if it's depressed. Which, in my experience, is not a benefit most slightly overweight women starting paleo/primal have going for them.

              I'm suggesting that instead of doing a paleo version of a calorie restricted diet that she allow her metabolic and appetite regulation systems a chance to heal, and see if being patient and providing her body sufficient nutrients for an extended period of time will allow her appetite to meet her needs and convince her body not to insist on hanging onto more stored energy than necessary.

              CICO is a 2-sided equation. Makes sense to help get the CO up before trying to force the CI down. Neuroendocrine theory of overweight vs. bomb calorimeter theory and all that. Let's not do this dance again.
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                No way 1700 is high. I just think her body needs more time to adjust. Not necessarily 6 months, but it can take a while. Keep giving your body the signal that it's going to get real nutrition on a regular basis now and it will stop fighting to hold on to its energy stores. But it may really be accustomed to being fed nutrient-sparse CW bullshit food and it may take a while before it "believes you." Try to manage stress as well. And take care of your sleep. it's a healing process.
                Are you noticing ANY differences?? Took 6 weeks before I noticed a difference in the fit of my clothes. But the other health benefits were noticeable *immediately*.

                Eat for optimal health and nutrition and let weight loss be a result. Once you master this way of eating, you can tweak your foods and macros for more specific results.

                Oh and ditch the scale. Attention Scale Addicts, part 2 | Everyday Paleo
                Sandra
                *My obligatory intro

                There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

                DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sandra in BC View Post
                  Are you noticing ANY differences?? Took 6 weeks before I noticed a difference in the fit of my clothes. But the other health benefits were noticeable *immediately*.

                  Eat for optimal health and nutrition and let weight loss be a result. Once you master this way of eating, you can tweak your foods and macros for more specific results.

                  Oh and ditch the scale. Attention Scale Addicts, part 2 | Everyday Paleo
                  Awesome post. I agree completely. I've seen people lose all the blood sugar crash stuff immediately, but not start noticeably dropping weight for a long time. In the meantime, their skin got better, they had more energy, better mood, etc...

                  Definitely forget the scale. Pick a pair of pants. Try them on every couple weeks and see if they're looser.
                  The Champagne of Beards

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