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  • #31
    Yes on giving it time for your allergies to subside. I especially benefitted from giving up dairy. I still do butter and some cream on occasion, but that's it. I freed myself two years ago after over several years of taking weekly allergy serum injections. Now, I get occasional congestion at the peak of allergy season, but nothing that requires medication.

    On another topic: Ok, so wait, nuts are bad?

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    • #32
      Rice vs. Potato vs. Quinoa vs. Whole Wheat.... which one has the most vitamins????
      The original question is Epic Fail.

      Pitting one against the other is like watching those NFL replacement games with the substandard players (or referees). They all suck and you should chuck them all out and throw down for the good stuff.

      This isn't about wheat vs. rice. This is about wheatORriceORpotatoORquinoaORcorn vs. Vegetables. Vegetables win hands down.
      This isn't about wheat vs. potato. This is about wheatORriceORpotatoORquinoaORcorn vs. Meat. Meat wins hands down.
      This isn't about wheat vs. quinoa. This is about wheatORriceORpotatoORquinoaORcorn vs. Coconut oil or Butter. Coconut oil and butter win hands down.

      But if you insist, why should you avoid whole wheat?
      Because it's got antinutrients other than gluten.
      Because it jams up your insulin.
      Because you're supporting Big Agriculture.
      Because whole wheat is usually a main ingredient in some other processed garbage. That means wheat usually comes attached to sugar, high fucktose corn syrup, soy oils, CAFO meat, and GMO up the wazoo.
      Because it's got carbs, and your "calories out" half of the equation (i.e. your energy burning hormones) SUCKS for carbs.
      Because the modern wheat has gliadin, which is a mildly addictive drug. It attaches to dopamine receptors and makes you eat more.
      Because your stomach doesn't understand carbs so you can eat a 800 calorie Cinnabon and not feel full.

      And that's if you're gluten tolerant. If you're not, then you get acid reflux, skin rashes, inflamed joints, insulin roller coaster, acne, body fat and who knows what else.
      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
        I see refined fats anecdotally the same as I see refined sugars. For example, coconut oil is pretty much white sugar. There is no nutritional content worth mentioning in either, they both go straight to your liver and they both elevate your metabolic rate slightly while providing lots of empty calories. So what if one is a fat and one is a sugar? It has the same effect on the body.
        Depriving my body of fat ultimately leads to binging, which indicates to me that the effect is not the same, just as telling myself I don't need protein would result in craving protein and eventually binging on it.

        So I consume fat.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by oxide View Post
          Rice vs. Potato vs. Quinoa vs. Whole Wheat.... which one has the most vitamins????
          The original question is Epic Fail.

          Pitting one against the other is like watching those NFL replacement games with the substandard players (or referees). They all suck and you should chuck them all out and throw down for the good stuff.

          This isn't about wheat vs. rice. This is about wheatORriceORpotatoORquinoaORcorn vs. Vegetables. Vegetables win hands down.
          This isn't about wheat vs. potato. This is about wheatORriceORpotatoORquinoaORcorn vs. Meat. Meat wins hands down.
          This isn't about wheat vs. quinoa. This is about wheatORriceORpotatoORquinoaORcorn vs. Coconut oil or Butter. Coconut oil and butter win hands down.
          Actually, it's not about that. It's about exactly what I asked because it's my post and my question. I do eat some starchy carbs, and I'd like to be able to make informed decisions about which starchy carbs are the least damaging to my health.

          I'm suprised at the amount of people having this type of response as if I need your personal permission to eat carbs. lol I'm not asking your permission. My question is what it is, you don't have to like my dietary choices. Get over yourself.

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          And ditto to what Katherine said. Fat has been an extremely invaluable tool for me, but everyone is different.
          Last edited by Grokkette; 06-13-2013, 02:49 PM.

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          • #35
            Grokkette, I eat a ton of starch now a days, and I feel best after white rice and white and sweet potatoes. Have been experimenting with white wheat (I am not intolerant), and feel gassy after eating it. I try not to eat corn and wheat mostly because it's usually GMO and I view them as taking up space for food I'd rather eat. As for quinoa, I always thought of it as bird food.

            I also do real well with fruits, feeling energized and digest them well. Been eating a lot of bananas which could be kinda starchy if not fully ripe.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Grokkette View Post
              Actually, it's not about that. It's about exactly what I asked because it's my post and my question. I do eat some starchy carbs, and I'd like to be able to make informed decisions about which starchy carbs are the least damaging to my health.

              I'm suprised at the amount of people having this type of response as if I need your personal permission to eat carbs. lol I'm not asking your permission. My question is what it is, you don't have to like my dietary choices. Get over yourself.

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              And ditto to what Katherine said. Fat has been an extremely invaluable tool for me, but everyone is different.
              You are absolutely correct.

              Oxide's post is more "paleo platitudes" than fact. Grains are universally more nutritious than coconut oil or butter. Grains are closer to real food than refined oils. Butter and coconut oil are as neolithic as a food can be. Grains are far more ancient, and potatoes aren't even in the same league as they are more nutritious per calorie than many meats, vegetables and fruits.
              Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                Depriving my body of fat ultimately leads to binging, which indicates to me that the effect is not the same, just as telling myself I don't need protein would result in craving protein and eventually binging on it.

                So I consume fat.
                I never said deprive your body of fat. I said refined oils are not foods, they are empty calories. Want fat? Eat a steak. Eat eggs. Drink whole milk. Have an avocado. Grab a handful of nuts. Eat coconut. At no point should you be eating coconut oil, butter and tallow by the spoonful. That is a waste of calories and will only lead to weight gain.
                Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                  I never said deprive your body of fat. I said refined oils are not foods, they are empty calories. Want fat? Eat a steak. Eat eggs. Drink whole milk. Have an avocado. Grab a handful of nuts. Eat coconut. At no point should you be eating coconut oil, butter and tallow by the spoonful. That is a waste of calories and will only lead to weight gain.
                  Fair enough. I only use oil and butter for sauteing and salad dressing, and I'll probably continue to do so, but I get your point. By the spoonful? Um, no thanks! Yick! If I'm *trying* to supplement fat (like on a day I know it's going to be hours before my next meal, and I don't want to be gnawing on my coworker's arm), half an avocado with lemon juice and salt is to die for. Also, cheese, but like I said, trying to ditch the dairy.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Grokkette View Post
                    Fair enough. I only use oil and butter for sauteing and salad dressing, and I'll probably continue to do so, but I get your point. By the spoonful? Um, no thanks! Yick! If I'm *trying* to supplement fat (like on a day I know it's going to be hours before my next meal, and I don't want to be gnawing on my coworker's arm), half an avocado with lemon juice and salt is to die for. Also, cheese, but like I said, trying to ditch the dairy.
                    That IMO is how it's done properly. Eat food, not oils. They're cooking tools. That being said, I consider cheese considerably healthier than avocado. Much higher quality fats, lots of protein (and the highest quality protein in nature) versus virtually no protein, much more fat soluble vitamins (particularly A&K in cheese)...it smacks up avocado pretty badly. That being said, avocado+cheddar+lime juice is a fantastic combination, so why not both? I like to make a higher protein/lower fat guacamole by mixing 1% or 0% Greek yogurt with avocado, lemon juice, garlic, cilantro, salt, pepper, cumin and paprika. It may be better than regular guacamole. Incredible.
                    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                      I never said deprive your body of fat. I said refined oils are not foods, they are empty calories. Want fat? Eat a steak. Eat eggs. Drink whole milk. Have an avocado. Grab a handful of nuts. Eat coconut. At no point should you be eating coconut oil, butter and tallow by the spoonful. That is a waste of calories and will only lead to weight gain.
                      How do you conclude that eating coconut oil or butter by the spoon is a waste of calories ? If you are on a low carb diet so that your bodies primary energy source is derived from ingested fats then they are just fuel for the body no matter how they are delivered. Only if your calorific intake for the day has been reached will any surplus lead to weight gain !

                      I often top up my fat intake by adding some coconut oil and/or butter to my coffee.
                      Last edited by OldSchhool; 06-13-2013, 08:08 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Grokkette View Post
                        Actually, it's not about that. It's about exactly what I asked because it's my post and my question. I do eat some starchy carbs, and I'd like to be able to make informed decisions about which starchy carbs are the least damaging to my health.
                        Potatoes.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Grokkette View Post
                          Actually, it's not about that. It's about exactly what I asked because it's my post and my question. I do eat some starchy carbs, and I'd like to be able to make informed decisions about which starchy carbs are the least damaging to my health.

                          I'm suprised at the amount of people having this type of response as if I need your personal permission to eat carbs. lol I'm not asking your permission. My question is what it is, you don't have to like my dietary choices. Get over yourself.

                          ***

                          And ditto to what Katherine said. Fat has been an extremely invaluable tool for me, but everyone is different.
                          The starch most likely to be least damaging/beneficial to the health of a human being is a sweet potato, yam, or squash.


                          potato (whether sweet potato or white potato, possibly skinless, depending on who is eating it and his or her sensitivities)would most likely be "least damaging" to one's health. White rice tends to be neutral, depending on the individual.

                          Anything derived from wheat has gluten, which tends to be a gut irritant for most people; quinoa may be slightly better than wheat, but the saponins in quinoa can also challenge the digestive system of the average H. sapiens. White rice tends to be neutral, because the husk (which contains some anti nutrients) has been removed. White potato without the skin is also neutral; sweet potato is neutral to positive, because it also has micronutrients. By " neutral", I mean that it's a starch which won't tend to be a gut irritant, depending on your preexisting state, and may be beneficial if you tend to function better when eating starches.

                          I'm trying not to make huge generalizations, because different things work for different people. However, based on my own, personal experience, as well as what I've read in the paleo/primal community, sweet potatoes seem to work best out of the possible starches. However, white potato or white rice may work for different people. Staying away from quinoa and wheat would be best for gut health and nutrient absorption. If a more scientific breakdown of the issues with wheat, gluten, and quinoa and their effects on the gut and small intestin would be helpful, I can do that, just let me know.


                          This is an extremely long answer, apologies. So, the answer to your original question is: white rice or potato is best; overall, sweet potato seems to be the starch that works best for most people.

                          The most basic answer is that sweet potato is the starch that is most likely to benefit the most people.

                          Hope this helps!
                          Last edited by Cathartes; 06-14-2013, 01:12 AM.

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                          • #43
                            I'll chime in once more for Grokkette (sounds like the French word "croquette", which is dry dog food ... - am half French so I could not resist, sorry )

                            Potatoes are GREAT. Remove their skin and process them the way you want. Some eat them raw for the resistant starch (RS) but palatability may lack cruelly. You should follow up on the discussions at freetheanimal.com, especially from poster "tatertot". It is a fascinating topic! Note though that the healthiest way to prepare them is steam-cooking. Deep-frying and even oven baking can increase the amount of acrylamides which are not desirable due to potential carcinogenicity ...

                            Rice: prefer white rice because all the anti-nutrients are removed. However, white rice is mostly starch without much else so be sure to eat nutritious stuff with it that will satiate you. Sushis come to mind

                            Grains: not human food.

                            Pseudo-grains:
                            buckwheat is perfectly acceptable once in a while. Stephan Guyenet from Whole Health Source has a nice buckwheat pancake recipe but it takes a little processing of the raw buckwheat (we are not talking about the common BW flour but the unprocessed seeds which you have to soak for quite some time and grind yourself eventually but it is really worth it - make it for special occasions or to be nice to yourself). I do use BW flour occasionally (once a month maybe ?)

                            Quinoa is OK but has the saponin issue. Use sparingly if you want to have some. A whole plate of well processed quinoa (washed and cooked properly) should not trigger a big issue but don't make it a staple.

                            Then you have other starches: plantain banana flour, cassava flour, sorghum, etc. You can even enjoy glass noodles made from sweet potatoe starch but in my area, it is hard to find.l Most glass noodles I can find are made in China from soy bean starch ... out of the question, and there were a few scandals related to lead and aluminum contamination due to unscrupulous and illegal processing.

                            If you want something absolutely devoid of calories and potentially beneficial (I don't really know since I had it only once and did not experience any change in my BMs), try shirataki noodles. This is pure soluble fibers. You have to rinse them and sort of dry fry them for like 8-10mn (add a little ghee for the frying). Then you can add them to some bone broth or soup. I had some chicken fond with a base of onion, garlic and paprika which I mixed with the fried noodles. It was really good but I don't miss pasta or noodles at all (been 8 months pasta free) and I don't feel compelled to eat these noodles on a weekly basis. Since they are devoid of nutrition, it seems a waste of cooking time and stomach space If you want to lose weight, you might enjoy them regularly.


                            One last note: I don't fully agree with ChocoTaco on certain things that are more subjective and a matter of individual opinion rather than real science but the guy is not stupid and has some great tips. I certainly agree with him that while I could eat butter just like that when I ma hungry, I would rather not do it. I use it for cooking, as a condiment, unlike during my wheat days where I would spread a very THICK layer of butter on half a French baguette bought from a local French baker ... without anything else (no cheese, no jam, no Nutella, no meat). And I would do it again with the other half ...
                            Last edited by dkJames; 06-14-2013, 01:47 AM.

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                            • #44
                              DkJames: yeah,you've basically covered it.

                              Potatoes without skins: yes, definitely, especially sweet potatoes
                              Rice: yeah, it's OK, especially when wrapped around good fish.

                              Everything else: you may be a special snowflake and immune to gluten, but you may feel like crud two days, or a week later, and wonder why. Yeaahhh, that's because you ate gluten.

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                              • #45
                                My brother has no immediate or obvious reaction to wheat. But he had very low zinc levels and very bad skin, which cleared up when he simultaneously removed wheat from his diet and started taking zinc piccolinate.

                                My understanding is that the phytate etc in wheat stop zinc absorption, despite wheat itself containing a decent amount of zinc. He currently avoids wheat but has stopped taking zinc, with no recurrance : )

                                Not a perfect scientific trial by any means, but I guess the point is that nutrient content of a food is not the same as nutrient uptake or absorption.

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