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  • #16
    Thank you Owen et al for this post. You give me hope that within a few months, I too may feel better.

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    • #17
      I had a lot of health problems that were relieved through primal eating.

      However, about 2 years after starting primal eating I developed a severe depression and anxiety. I tried the mood cure and every other treatment I could come up with for a good two months. I finally found a doctor who agreed to look for an underlying cause but he encouraged me to try anti-depressents while we looked. They have come with their ups and downs but they probably saved my life. I feel great again and should be free of the meds soon.

      My doctor believes that my gut is entirely the cause of all the issues - my autoimmune disease, fatigue, and now the depression and anxiety.

      It shocked me beyond words that this could happen to me. I have always been a positive person and I eat really well, have a good social life, and take great care of myself. I though about ditching primal eating, but the truth is that I just could not come up with a reasonable way that junk food could help me.
      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

      http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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      • #18
        Hi Gabriola, welcome to the forum.

        Thanks to Mark for again posting a link to some illuminating study material on depression in his weekend links about how people with depression tend to pursue more 'generalized goals'. People who aren't depressed tend to follow more specific tasks, instead of merely 'I must get more organized', or 'I need a new career'.

        Jackie, your post which has reminded me that this is an ongoing process. Its a constant process of tweaking, adjusting, and also having phases of focusing on different foods, discovering what works and what doesn't.

        Jammies, I'd be interested to know more - what was your primal diet like prior to getting the depression? I personally prefer that anti depressants are there as an option also. I am not resting on my laurels. I've seen some symptoms trying to creep back in - slept in late a number of times and felt a bit disappointed in myself, but then I remember how I was last year. This time around I've been a bit down but have been able to get myself out of it within 48 hours, or less. For me that's where this primal thing has done it's greatest work. Not in making me happy 24 hours a day, but in enabling me to take very good actions.
        Last edited by Owen; 07-20-2013, 02:49 AM.
        Healthy is the new wealthy.

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        • #19
          Correction to my earlier post: the brain is 66.666% fat, not 80%. Still a lot though :-)

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          • #20
            Part of my ongoing food trials (I follow almost 100% Primal / Paleo) - have ditched all dairy except for occasional butter in cooking. I went through a phase about 2 months ago of regularly eating full fat yoghurt, which I love eating, but I find it doesn't help much mood-wise. Mood is much better and I have way more energy without dairy.
            Healthy is the new wealthy.

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            • #21
              I went on the GAPS diet to try to treat my depression/anxiety/bipolar. It definitely worked!!! It incorporates a lot of stuff you're talking about, plus digestion, detoxification, and altering gut microbes. The GAPS diet is how I found this site since primal is almost exactly the same as GAPS, except GAPS also removes sugars like maple syrup and all starches. So I learned how to cook yummier food by coming to MDA and modifying a few things!

              It worked so well I decided to go to school so I could help other people (NTA). I think primal is helpful to alter the digestive system, and that affects the brain. Inflammation starts in the gut and inflammation affects every part of the body, including the brain. A couple of posts I've written:

              What Does My Belly Have to Do with My Brain? | The Sour Path is the Sweetest
              What’s the Big Deal?- Food Allergies and Sensitivities | The Sour Path is the Sweetest

              I'm also planning to write a post on issues with fat digestion. A lot of people start paleo/primal and don't feel as good as they should. (Then they think the diet doesn't "work") Their gallbladders get out of whack from low fat/bad fat eating and their gallbladders are congested (or missing!). This affects a lot of things in the body including hormones. So you could be eating this awesome primal diet and not getting the benefits because your digestion isn't allowing your body to utilize what you're eating!

              Thanks, Owen, for helping get the word out that diet is HUGE in treating depression . A lot of people are completely disabled by mental stuff, and they just keep trying different meds.
              Last edited by Kimchiqueen; 09-07-2013, 12:56 PM. Reason: Forgot something
              If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough.

              http://thesourpathisthesweetest.com/

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              • #22
                I do eat fruit. I went low carb for a while to try to become fat adapted. After a while I started eating more carbs and I feel fine.
                If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough.

                http://thesourpathisthesweetest.com/

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                • #23
                  I've also been hearing about the importance of the gut bacteria and how little we know about it, other than that apprently antibiotics can kill them off. I definitely find a correlation between how well my digestion is working and my overall sense of well being. I've also read recently about the amount of neurons in the gut - yes part of our brain is technically in our gut (or at least, our neural network if you don't want to call it the brain). Makes you think about the phrase 'a gut feeling'.

                  I'd be interested to hear more about fat digestion - since becoming more acquainted with fats and eating them has been one of the big areas of change for me, and understanding the role of fats in reversing depression.

                  You have some interesting blogs - good to see this type of information out there. Do you now provide Nutrition Therapy to people?

                  Looking at the GAPS diet, it seems to be similar to PB as you say. I've recently started to forage for wild foods and particularly wild fruits and you definitely begin to get a taste for more bitter flavours - interesting that it does specific good things for the digestive system, even more of a reason for me to do it!
                  Last edited by Owen; 09-07-2013, 12:51 PM.
                  Healthy is the new wealthy.

                  http://www.facebook.com/groups/ances...handnutrition/

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                  • #24
                    I'll be done with the course in November, then I can take clients. I've seen some "practice" clients.

                    Oh, and the "sour" is for fermented foods, one of my favorite things.

                    The foraging sounds fun! Ancestral at its best.
                    If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough.

                    http://thesourpathisthesweetest.com/

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                    • #25
                      I'm documenting my foraging on here :-)

                      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread91318-2.html

                      Its amazing actually. I can't drive down a country lane without stopping to collect something edible - I am learning that we're surrounded by food, and very few of us know it.
                      Healthy is the new wealthy.

                      http://www.facebook.com/groups/ances...handnutrition/

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                      • #26
                        I think of that sometimes, when I'm BROKE . But I need to think about it more. Will go check it out.
                        If your dreams don't scare you, they're not big enough.

                        http://thesourpathisthesweetest.com/

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                        • #27
                          I found a way to quickly make me feel blissful and happy that may or may not work for you. It's only temporary relief, but frankly, anything that can make you feel better, even temporarily, is great when you need it.

                          What you need:

                          Coffee machine
                          Coffee filter
                          Yerba Mate
                          Raw cacao powder
                          400 mgs suntheanine version of l-theanine

                          Here's what you do:

                          1) 3 tbs of any brand of yerba mate you like (yes, different brands taste different so play around at first) into coffee filter
                          2) 2 cups of water into coffee machine
                          3) Brew as if coffee
                          4) Take the suntheanine (pill or powder doesn't matter - suntheanine is like l-theanine on crack - you might play around woth the exact amount as well )
                          5) Pour mate into drinking vessel - let cool for a few
                          6) Either consume 1 tbls cocao powder straight or add it to the cooled mate
                          7) Drink mate

                          How it works:

                          Theanine calms and relaxes the body. Suntheanine, being more powerful, relaxes you even further. Mate has caffeine which speeds along the delivery of the suntheanine and mate also has several chemicals in it that break the blood/brain barrier that have been shown to effect mood. RAW cacao (not cooked or chocolate bars or that stuff), has phenylethylamine (PEA or the "love molecule") which stimulates dopamine production in the brain, good for mood and contains direct serotonin precursors, also good for mood since many drugs that are made for depression treatment try to correct serotonin imbalances anyway.

                          Verdict? 100% natural and it works for me!

                          Your milage may vary however.
                          Last edited by Drumroll; 09-07-2013, 05:52 PM.
                          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                          • #28
                            I discovered the pleasures of Mate whilst in Argentina and have struggled to find it in the uk - but I might have to order some online, I agree its pretty darn good stuff - better than tea IMO. I never thought that it would combine well with cacao though. I have some raw cacao that I add to my filter coffee which makes a very pleasant drink. The raw cacao I use comes in a solid block and looks like normal chocolate but is nothing like it. I may have to try this concoction, thanks.

                            PS, I believe that general dietary integrity -clean eating - is the best way to ensure good levels of energy and avoidance of depression, but everyone needs a pick me up occasionally!
                            Healthy is the new wealthy.

                            http://www.facebook.com/groups/ances...handnutrition/

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Owen View Post
                              I discovered the pleasures of Mate whilst in Argentina and have struggled to find it in the uk - but I might have to order some online, I agree its pretty darn good stuff - better than tea IMO. I never thought that it would combine well with cacao though. I have some raw cacao that I add to my filter coffee which makes a very pleasant drink. The raw cacao I use comes in a solid block and looks like normal chocolate but is nothing like it. I may have to try this concoction, thanks.

                              PS, I believe that general dietary integrity -clean eating - is the best way to ensure good levels of energy and avoidance of depression, but everyone needs a pick me up occasionally!
                              It's not a magical cure, no way, no how. You still have to work through a lot of things. But if you find yourself in a particularly bad slump, the little "cocktail" I posted can be a good way to provide a moment of temporary relief!
                              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                              • #30
                                I'm definitely going to get some Yerba Mate, but looks like I'll have to order it online..
                                Healthy is the new wealthy.

                                http://www.facebook.com/groups/ances...handnutrition/

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