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  • Sorry I'm late to your thread, but I really think I can help you and the other folks in this thread, to lose some weight. I'll just come straight out with the protocol, then go into a little bit of info to back up the protocol:
    Thank you for the thought, but by now I am not able to tolerate anything that is deliberately unnatural, macros, feeding windows or calories restrictions. Numbers eventually lead to failure.
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    • Leida.... are you saying Scarlett O'Hara was "robust" or somehow a "larger" woman? She ended up damn near starving at one point in the movie, but was petite to begin with. So you look at those photos of Vivian Leigh and would feel large if you looked like her?
      Not the movie, the book.
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      • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
        Yeah, I am so forum crushing on you right now. <3
        Me too. Magnolia has some great posts in this thread.


        Originally posted by nikitakolata View Post
        I exercise 5 mornings a week, I walk at least 30 minutes a day, blah, blah, blah. I'm so desperate that I want to go back on phentermine so I can starve the weight off again even though I know it's only a temporary solution. Being 195 pounds and 5'6" SUCKS.

        Sorry for the rant... I guess I'm just having a bad weight day. Sadly, most of my days are bad weight days.
        I know the feeling, I'm 5'5' and 195 atm, mostly the same story -- I remember starting junior high in a size 12. But, I did manage to losing most of it 2 years ago and got down to 150. Gained 90% back. However, I am in a size 8 currently, even if they're the Express stretchy 8s. Do you strength train? I guess there's a muscle mass difference between us.

        Good luck on your fat loss!

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        • Originally posted by Nivanthe View Post
          Me too. Magnolia has some great posts in this thread.



          I know the feeling, I'm 5'5' and 195 atm, mostly the same story -- I remember starting junior high in a size 12. But, I did manage to losing most of it 2 years ago and got down to 150. Gained 90% back. However, I am in a size 8 currently, even if they're the Express stretchy 8s. Do you strength train? I guess there's a muscle mass difference between us.

          Good luck on your fat loss!
          I do strength training, some in the form of free weights and bodyweight exercises and some in the form of random work (I move furniture A LOT). According to my scale I'm 36% body fat. Sigh... I'm quite strong, but still have way too much excess fat. A size 8 is just a pipe dream for me.

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          • Have you ever tried one of the food restriction protocols to see if it can helps a suspected issue, like thyroid?

            Every natural doctor I have met just stares into my eyes and diagnoses me with adrenal fatigue in 2 minutes so I don't really care for that diagnosis (yeah, I am almost 40, I get it. I am tired.). I did acupuncture 3 times, but I don't think it did anything. But I am trying an anti-inflammatory protocol + Whole 30, and to be honest that actually seem to make a difference in well-being and addressing problems. Not weight loss to start with, and it takes a few weeks for noticeable improvements, but it's simple and sensible. I think a lot of problems come from the lowered ability to digest the nutrients properly, and W30 or specific protocol can help it. Practical Paleo book has a few condition-specific protocols. Granted, it is self-diagnosed, but sometimes gut feeling >>> what doctors say.

            Primal is less strict, but I am wondering if it is why it doesn't work wonders for everyone, and why some folks have to be stricter than that.
            Last edited by Leida; 06-13-2013, 09:26 AM.
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            • Originally posted by Leida View Post
              Have you ever tried one of the food restriction protocols to see if it can helps a suspected issue, like thyroid?

              Every natural doctor I have met just stares into my eyes and diagnoses me with adrenal fatigue in 2 minutes so I don't really care for that diagnosis (yeah, I am almost 40, I get it. I am tired.). I did acupuncture 3 times, but I don't think it did anything. But I am trying an anti-inflammatory protocol + Whole 30, and to be honest that actually seem to make a difference in well-being and addressing problems. Not weight loss to start with, and it takes a few weeks for noticeable improvements, but it's simple and sensible. I think a lot of problems come from the lowered ability to digest the nutrients properly, and W30 or specific protocol can help it. Practical Paleo book has a few condition-specific protocols. Granted, it is self-diagnosed, but sometimes gut feeling >>> what doctors say.

              Primal is less strict, but I am wondering if it is why it doesn't work wonders for everyone, and why some folks have to be stricter than that.
              I haven't tried Whole 30 yet. To be honest, primal is about all the restriction I can handle right now. As it is I spend what seems like an insane amount of time planning what I'm going to eat. It is exhausting! I've started a "routine" of shopping for dinner every day and that's helped me to have fresher food. Of course, in order to do that I've been leaving work early. It isn't a huge issue because I despise my job and if someone catches me, oh well. But, it will be a problem when I get a new job which I am definitely planning on doing within the next year. I hate this place so much that being here for 7 hours leaves me feeling awful.

              Maybe if I have a job I hate less I will see some movement on the scale. I doubt it though since most likely any job I change to will mean driving to work and will as a result eliminate the 35 mintues of walking I do everyday just getting to this place now.

              That adrenal fatigue thing ticked me off. I did a cortisol test and did have somewhat high cortisol at night but I can tell that has changed in the last 6 months or so; I'm back to waking up before my alarm everyday and easily falling asleep at night. I'm a little tired during the day but I know a large part of that is the fact that I am trapped in this office and incredibly bored. I never feel tired on my days off, even though I don't sleep in any later or anything else on those days... I'm just able to move around more and think about things that interest me instead of the boring nonsense that makes up my job.

              What would a person eat to help their thyroid, anyway? I've gathered that VLC is not good for thyroid function. I have about 100 to 120 grams of net carbohydrates a day (150 if you don't subtract fiber). 80 to 100 grams of protein and about the same range for fat. I'm pretty evenly split over the three macros. I have dairy in the form of kefir, cheese, and on occasion I'll have greek yogurt. Everything else is as primal as I can make it (grass fed when possible, organic, etc.).

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              • Originally posted by nikitakolata View Post
                I do strength training, some in the form of free weights and bodyweight exercises and some in the form of random work (I move furniture A LOT). According to my scale I'm 36% body fat. Sigh... I'm quite strong, but still have way too much excess fat. A size 8 is just a pipe dream for me.
                Not sure by the numbers what I am, but visually it looks like 30-35%. I hope you find something that works, because it shouldn't be just a pipe dream!

                I've learned primal for weight loss (for me!) just doesn't work; I need higher carb + protein macros, and some restriction, decent cardio/HIIT in addition to heavy weights. For health, primal is wonderful -- so I'm trying to combine the two worlds. The "scale weight" is slowgoing, but I like the changes i'm seeing in the mirror.

                Also echoing good choices in clothing; makes a huge difference in look and confidence!

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                • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  I vote for flip-flops, sbhikes. The rubber ones from Old Navy that are always "on sale" for $2.
                  My sister got married in Las Vegas (probably by Elvis) wearing a tight mini-skirt and platform, psychedelic flip-flops. I think it can work with the right flip-flops.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • Heya, if you send me an e-mail I can e-mail you a couple of pages I pdf'd from the Practical Paleo for Thyroid protocol, you can take a look.

                    Sorry it takes you a lot of time to manage the food supplies & job situation - I can relate to literally all of it! In fact I finally broke down and started sending out resumes yesterday after confronting the next wave of woe at work. I find the eating relatively simple - I cook meat simply (either roast or slow-cook) and in bulk, I keep fresh veggies in the work fridge, a stack of sardines 'just in case' & buy a few avocados and sweet potatoes for easy office meals (chop and much or microwave and mush). I use fruit a lot lately, and steam or roast bulk trays of veggies for nightly sides. I make my own bacon, lard and dehydrated sweet potato chips + coconut oil for cooking fats and olive & sesame oils/balsamic vinegar for dressings.
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                    When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                    • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                      My sister got married in Las Vegas (probably by Elvis) wearing a tight mini-skirt and platform, psychedelic flip-flops. I think it can work with the right flip-flops.
                      On an unrelated note, I attended my mother's wedding (3rd) in a tuxedo t-shirt.
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                        Sbhikes, find these in coral, and you would rock that dress out like a sexy bitch.

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                        • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                          Yeah.... that's sad.

                          But here's the deal. Everytime someone with a good body says "I'm fat and need to lose weight" because they are afraid that their tits and ass might attract male attention, another woman hears them and says "shit, I guess I'm fat too".

                          The whole reason we should give a shit about being attractive is to attract and keep a mate. Now I know that I am not every guys cup of tea. If you like long and lean, keep looking. But let's just say that enough guys find me attractive to insure I will have a mate.

                          Somehow, the media has decided that "attractive"= the tall slim models that are generally selected by men with no interest in mating with women to show off garments. Why the hell would you want to have the body of a 14 year old boy? Go to your average beach and the coathanger girl looks like shit in a bikini because 9/10 times her ass doesn't fill the bottom.

                          Yeah, there is that 2% of women that is tall, lean with curves in all the right places. They can date the tall lean men with muscle in all the right places. I know for damn sure all the dieting in the world is not going to make me look like that.

                          So what it comes down to.... is we have all these women who are size 0-8 that if they take 2 minutes into thinking about their clothes can look amazing..... calling themselves fat asses because they either 1. don't look like the 2% or 2. don't look like a 14 year old boy. If you are dieting to in essence, make yourselves LESS attractive to men, then at least just say "yeah, I hate it when I have tits and ass because dudes hit on me" (or just eat and wear baggy khaki capris and an oversized shirt). If you are dieting because you hate yourself, just say "I starve myself to punish myself". Whatever you do, don't say you are dieting because you are fat and ugly.

                          I think we owe it to the next generation of women to straighten this body image shit out. What we say to girls is "Hey, if you don't look like a 12 year old boy, you are fat and will never find a mate, go hide until you are 2, preferably with long thin legs." I mean seriously, there are a couple of your I'd like to bitch slap because if you are "fat and flabby and ugly", then I'm the town heifer.

                          Above all, on this site, this is about a healthy lifestyle and building a healthier self. If you can't lose anymore weight without doing crazy shit, you either need to see a doctor OR you need to recognize that your body is at a healthy weight and you get to make the most of it. Don't just sit here and bitch about losing 10 more pounds so you can be a 0 instead of a 4 and have Giselle's thighs because yours are "fat". If you just are unhappy because of past abuse, then go get some counseling and work towards a life of joy that doesn't involve punishing yourself because some guy was a douchebag 10 years ago.
                          Originally posted by Leida View Post
                          I also dunno who it helps for one to beat her feelings into submission somehow and keep them hidden. It's like telling a B student that it's shameful to voice the aspirations for getting an A, because folks with C's might take it amiss.
                          I agree with both of you, in different ways, but Leida's is the un-PC stance.

                          I definitely think that curves should be more encouraged, and that self-love should be taught. But, I also don't agree with telling people to "man up" (which, as inspiring as your message is Magnolia, it boils down to).

                          I'm of the opinion that you need to understand something before you can change it. Hence I encourage honest dialogue where people can express themselves and not feel they have to follow any kind of prescriptive way of thinking - whether this is limited views on attractiveness, or self-love cliches.
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • Choco posted this on the "men not lifting weights" thread, if any of you didn't see it. I think it's very beautiful and moving. Trying to cherish my "most prized possession" is something I can aspire towards.

                            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                            This is possibly the most depressing quote in MDA history.

                            "Attraction" is subjective. There is what the media tells you is attractive, and then there is real attraction. Real attraction varies wildly from person to person and cannot be defined. You can't define a feeling with words - feelings are intangible. Why do women today almost unanimously hate themselves? Or was it always this way? I don't understand it. A person's body is the greatest gift they'll ever receive. Wouldn't you want to cherish and take care of your greatest possession? Wouldn't you love your greatest possession? The funny thing is, the women put up on a pedestal by the media are often the most sensitive and insecure of them all.[/I][/B]
                            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                            - Ray Peat

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                            • Trying to cherish my "most prized possession" is something I can aspire towards.
                              Yes... and never call yourself a "B" or a "C" in comparison to a photoshopped image.

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                              • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                                Yes... and never call yourself a "B" or a "C" in comparison to a photoshopped image.
                                Ironically, I was thinking of the grading system in terms of attitude! You have an "A" attitude. I'm flunking. Maybe I need to study harder, or maybe I'm too dumb (ie. weak willed) to get As. Either way, I should find out why it's such a monumental effort to improve my grades.
                                Last edited by YogaBare; 06-13-2013, 11:18 AM.
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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