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  • #16
    I don't care what this person does, I'm just stating a fact. By all means, GROK HARDER, it's your life. When you become "fat adapted" or whatever, that's just your body being accustomed to running on mostly stress hormones to fuel your body.

    Fyi, I don't eat candy, unless you count gelatin gummy bears I make myself as candy.
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    • #17
      K. Not turning this innocent person's thread into a battle field. They read the book, they're sold on fat being better. There's no battle here. Sugar isn't the devil, either - fine, today I concede - but neither is it essential to health. Vilifying macronutrients is about as effective as...no metaphor. I'm tired. Darn, they usually just float right out, too!

      I'd probably eat homemade gummis, too. Made kombucha jello last night. Was amazing. Almost no sugar in it, but amazing. :P

      Stress hormones? Like cortisol? Maybe I'll zero carb for a week and have that test run at work, we'll see how stressful it really is. I've seen others here with great hormone numbers on low carb.
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      • #18
        It took me about 6 weeks to adapt.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • #19
          Lol, definitely not 4 feet tall... But I'm a 28 yo female, and am not crazy active (please don't lambaste me for that one, do the best I can), so I thought the calories were about right. I don't consciously limit calories (I just know them because of MyFitnessPal), but I haven't been terribly hungry. Which is one of the reasons I don't think it has to do with blood sugar levels or stress hormones as one person mentioned... I know the typical symptoms of hypoglycaemia and, besides the light-headedness and muscle stuff, I haven't had them (no huger pangs, no palpitations, no jitters, etc.). The electrolyte imbalance makes a lot more sense, I'm going to get on that ASAP. And the calories... What should I be aiming for??

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
            I don't care what this person does, I'm just stating a fact. By all means, GROK HARDER, it's your life. When you become "fat adapted" or whatever, that's just your body being accustomed to running on mostly stress hormones to fuel your body.
            Hey... I'm curious where you get this "fact"... I've got a pretty decent understanding of hormone function, and I've certainly seen the evidence to support how sugar consumption impacts your cortisol levels, but I'm unaware of how fat metabolism affects you cortisol. Also, your body actually can't "become accustomed" to running on cortisol... Cortisol is a temporary measure to get you through stressful times. That's why chronic stress leads to adrenal fatigue, rather than the consistent energy and improved neural function that people report from being in a fat adapted state...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Pebbles67 View Post
              The sodium recommendation for someone eating VLC is 5000mg sodium / day.
              What's your source for this information? I'm not disagreeing; just wanting to research it myself.
              Thx.

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              • #22
                you dont say what g of carbs are you too low?
                eat some potassium rich low carb veggies like spinach and don't add loads of extra sodium; you're much more likely to be low in potassium than sodium

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                • #23
                  I've come to the conclusion that the carbohydrate curve is not right. I do not think you can obtain the kind of obesity depicted in that cartoon of Ken Korg on carbohydrates coming from roots, tubers and fruit. To end up with diabesity like Ken Korg you have to eat white flour, corn/soy/canola/trans-fats and processed foods. You would have to eat too many calories to reach really high levels of carbs from roots, tubers and fruit and might gain some weight if you aren't active enough to burn those calories off, but the fat you gained wouldn't be that diabesity-type fat.

                  That's just a suspicion I have as I no longer worry about how many carbs I consume (or don't consume) and never see any difference. What does result in a difference is if I just eat less period, and if I stay away from grains, seed oils and processed foods. Eat less = lose some weight. Avoid grains, seed oils and processed food = feel awesome and healthy.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • #24
                    I could have written the above post myself as I have come to the same conclusion, too.
                    I've done the VLC thing for a while also.

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                    • #25
                      VLC is great when you are metabolically "broken", i.e. your body fat tends to accumulate. It is probably a hormonal issue / imbalance due to years of bad eating. Switching to real foods and going VLC for a while will make you lose the bulk body fat. Once you restore a good metabolic health, you can loosen up with healthy carbs. Changing meal frequency is also a great idea as many here can report (IF - 2 to 1 meal a day "only").

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Kmilloy View Post
                        Hey... I'm curious where you get this "fact"... I've got a pretty decent understanding of hormone function, and I've certainly seen the evidence to support how sugar consumption impacts your cortisol levels, but I'm unaware of how fat metabolism affects you cortisol. Also, your body actually can't "become accustomed" to running on cortisol... Cortisol is a temporary measure to get you through stressful times. That's why chronic stress leads to adrenal fatigue, rather than the consistent energy and improved neural function that people report from being in a fat adapted state...
                        Derp gets all his factoids from the same place. The alter of the Holy Ray Peat. A guy who is actually a scientist but then has a bunch of folks like Danny Roddy and Matt Stone out interpreting his works for the masses. Derp lives on cigarettes, soda, candy, copious amounts of sweetened coffee, highly sweetened milk and OJ, plus other illegal substances with an occasional piece of liver and has the nerve to come here and preach about health. Eating the liver and the fact that he is only a bit past 20 are probably the only reasons his lifestyle hasn't killed him yet. Consider the source of your info around here.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by dkJames View Post
                          VLC is great when you are metabolically "broken", i.e. your body fat tends to accumulate. It is probably a hormonal issue / imbalance due to years of bad eating. Switching to real foods and going VLC for a while will make you lose the bulk body fat. Once you restore a good metabolic health, you can loosen up with healthy carbs. Changing meal frequency is also a great idea as many here can report (IF - 2 to 1 meal a day "only").
                          Oh yeah, I agree that you need the VLC if you are metabolically broken. I was metabolically broken when I got here. Not diabetes but broken nonetheless. I'm fixed now and find that lots of primal carbs only makes me fat if I eat too much.
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #28
                            As a female, we need more carbs then men for our hormone systems to function properly (including our thyroid). Check out www.paleoforwomen.com and check out Stefani's amazing work.

                            It could be that you need a bit more in terms of carbs to fuel your basic hormonal systems and/or perhaps you need more calories for more energy.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Shotglass View Post
                              What's your source for this information? I'm not disagreeing; just wanting to research it myself.
                              Thx.

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                              No Problem.
                              The 5000 mg number comes from Phinney and Volek "The art and science of low carb living". Dr. Atkins used to say up the sodium too, but he recommended 2 bouillon cubes which will give you about 2000 mg sodium to add to your CW daily 2500. My N=1 told me that I felt better if I had between 4000-5000 mg. I actually tracked sodium on MyFitnessPal when I was doing NK. I found that I got 2500 pretty easily by adding salt to my food, but I used the bouillon to get the extra. Lot's of sodium in a small pkg. Unfortunately they also contain msg etc. I chose to take the small exposure to bad stuff to get the extra sodium easily.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                                Sorry, you'll have to filter out the sugar bugs. J3nn, Derpamix, Zach and a few others think candy = health, and push their glucose-loving ways on people truly interested in being fat-fueled.

                                It took me six weeks to get fat adapted, where I could drink a stick of butter and have it all digest properly, etc. But this has me worried. I hope you're about 4 feet tall. Eat more, that might help!

                                x2 about electrolytes.
                                Yeah, Derp and Zach are here to troll the newbies for the lulz.

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