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  • #16
    Originally posted by Lynna View Post
    It does help, but he still gets into trouble when he gets bored.
    He doesn't need to be medicated, he needs to be challenged and engaged. Kids get into trouble when they're bored and have no proper outlets. I would tell your son-in-law to get on the school about challenging his son to keep him out of trouble. I'm betting he's bright and finds things too easy.

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    • #17
      So much of advertising, not only for drugs but medical procedures and even non-medical advertisement is fear based.

      "If you don't take this pill, you could" (fill in the blank)

      I remember a TV advertisement a few years back that had a man going about his normal day at work and there was a hospital bed following him everywhere. The message was that he could keel over anytime from something or another but if he got their body scan, he could be saved.

      Almost half of all Americans have taken a prescription drug in the past month according to a CDC study:

      FASTSTATS - Therapeutic Drug Use

      Where it really gets mind boggling is how much the percentages would go up if they counted OTC or over-the-counter medications, some of which were prescription medications until a few years ago, like Prilosec and several others.

      Like someone said, follow the money. Look at how much the top ten selling prescription drugs made in 2011 and look what the drugs are sold for.

      The 10 Best Selling Blockbuster Drugs - Business Insider

      A cured patient is a lost customer, and a previous poster is exactly right, the doctor is not your friend. The medical industry in general is about profit. The pharmaceutical companies are about huge profits.

      Why sell someone a simple and effect substance to actually cure what is wrong with them when you can treat the signs and symptoms and keep them coming back for the rest of their (shorten) life?

      Why educate people in the correct way of eating and a healthy lifestyle when you can keep them fat, dumb and medicate?

      My disdain is not at the acute care medical professionals like orthopedic surgeons and trauma docs. All the bacon in the world won't fix a compound fracture but it is directed at the chronic illness doctors that don't cure anything.

      Why is this? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$
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      • #18
        The goal of the medical industry is to provide people with insurance with as many products and services as their insurance will pay for. Perfectly healthy people are encouraged to go to their doctor to ask about something he has no direct expertise about and they don't need. Medical consumers have responded by treating health products and services as something that they should get as much of as they possibly can, simply to get their money's worth. They don't realize that there are negative implications to more tests and more drugs.

        It's like a magical mental disconnect that happens when anything medical in nature comes up, as though their doctor is a cross between an all-knowing deity and a magician. Being a good little medical consumer is hard work. Shutting down your critical thinking is necessary to keep you as a profit center.

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        • #19
          My one son-in-law was hyperactive as a child, in fact he still can't sit still.
          I have an adult friend like this. He is always moving, so he found a job that lets him be on his feet all day. He just is constantly doing something and never chills out. It's really not a problem. There is a place in society for really super physically productive people. He does home maintenance for people. Super smart guy.

          Drugging out personality types to suit the model of "sedentary" is not smart. We need people that enjoy being on the go doing physical work.

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          • #20
            I had a conference with my son's teacher where she warned of his lack of attention. To prove her point she showed me an elaborate 20 page fictional story with picture that my son wrote .....the instruction given was to write a 5 page nonfiction. This is kindergarten mind you. I couldn't help but smile and praise him on his awesome story! In the teachers defence she did admit that the story itself was terrific achievement, but it's odd she felt compelled to present it a problem point that we should monitor. if we were a certain type of parent a conference like that could very well lead to another bright kid being drugged just to bring him in line with the status quo.

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            • #21
              That said....drugs are bad... Mmmmkay.

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              • #22
                There is no question that ADHD is increasing in this country. It's not a matter of increased diagnosis. It really is increasing, unlike things like mental retardation, which has remained at a constant level. I think it has to do with prenatal nutrition, where pregnant women are encouraged to eat less saturated fat and more grains, which doesn't provide what is necessary to build the baby's nervous system.

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                • #23
                  I talked to a marine biologist yesterday. The oceans are fucked. We're stewing the earth in poisons. So not only are we surrounded by them but we ingest them via prescription medicine and bad "food." So of course we're getting sicker children. We're frogs in a pot is what we are.

                  My mom's husband was so hyperactive he was kept on a leash. This was back in the 1940s. He turned out okay. Living the good life of a cushy retirement and lots of statins or whatever, but he really is quite healthy, active and strong. Always moving, always working on some project and driving my mom crazy.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                    There is no question that ADHD is increasing in this country. It's not a matter of increased diagnosis. It really is increasing, unlike things like mental retardation, which has remained at a constant level.
                    Although I agree with your assertion on nutrition I am not convinced as to this part of your remark.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                      Although I agree with your assertion on nutrition I am not convinced as to this part of your remark.
                      Which part is it you are not convinced of? Both ADHD and autism-spectrum conditions are increasing, and conventional medicine has no clue why that might be. If this was purely an artifact of improved diagnosis, other unrelated conditions like mental retardation ought to be increasingly diagnosed as well.

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                      • #26
                        Lead in the environment.

                        America's Real Criminal Element: Lead | Mother Jones

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          Which part is it you are not convinced of? Both ADHD and autism-spectrum conditions are increasing, and conventional medicine has no clue why that might be. If this was purely an artifact of improved diagnosis, other unrelated conditions like mental retardation ought to be increasingly diagnosed aswell.
                          If diagnosis techniques are getting better for autism and ADHD it doesn't mean the same is necessarily true of other types of disabilities. They are all different disabilities with different techniques for diagnoses. Also, the increased diagnoses rates may simply be due to greater societal awareness and understanding of certain types of disabilities but not others.

                          Oh, and the language you used in this post is quite disrespectful and bigoted. Just FYI.
                          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                            If diagnosis techniques are getting better for autism and ADHD it doesn't mean the same is necessarily true of other types of disabilities. They are all different disabilities with different techniques for diagnoses. Also, the increased diagnoses rates may simply be due to greater societal awareness and understanding of certain types of disabilities but not others.

                            Oh, and the language you used in this post is quite disrespectful and bigoted. Just FYI.
                            What? Mental retardation is a specific diagnosis that leads to certain types of educational accommodations, not a slur. Perhaps you should study special education and work in schools, like I did.

                            If you search online you will see that what I am saying is commonly accepted in education. Even if there is overdiagnosis, the incidence is rising.
                            Last edited by eKatherine; 05-26-2013, 01:24 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              What? Mental retardation is a specific diagnosis that leads to certain types of educational accommodations, not a slur. Perhaps you should study special education and work in schools, like I did.

                              If you search online you will see that what I am saying is commonly accepted in education. Even if there is overdiagnosis, the incidence is rising.
                              Well, I worked for several non-profit organizations that advocated on behalf of individuals with disabilities for a number of years and I know that if I had allowed the use of the "r-word" on any materials published by these organizations I would have been thrown to the curb faster and more violently than you can imagine. And I respect that.

                              I still think there are better ways we can refer to such people without using that word. Just my opinion on the matter, "clinical diagnoses" aside. I just believe that using more "person first/person friendly" language should be standard in all disability-related fields.

                              Oh, hey, a non-autistic trying to teach someone on the spectrum about their own disability.
                              "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                              • #30
                                I grew up in a different country and with parents who are biologists, so to me there is a definite perceptible fixation on drugs to do things that can be done homeopathically. Sore throat? Tea with honey, not 3 shots of Dayquil.

                                Just this morning, I was talking to my friend who said that she's had 3 sinus infections in the past 6 weeks - and has taken 3 courses of antibiotics! When I said that seemed ridiculous, she said that it was different ones. When pressed further by me saying I still thought it was an exorbitant amount, she said that the doctor gave her the prescription so it was okay. All I could do was mutter "Silly doctors" and drop the issue.
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