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  • #16
    Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
    I think you're drinking too much water. A gallon a day seems like way too much to me. Is this based on thirst? I mean, it's a long shot, maybe, but you could just be retaining some water.
    That's interesting. I thought you should be drinking more water to prevent water retention... I pee at least once every hour.

    Initially, I started forcing myself to drink that much water but now I find that I'm always thirsty.

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    • #17
      If you drink that much water and pee that frequently, it sounds like too much. You are perhaps low on salt and could be flushing it out with that volume of water. It's not JUST lots of water that could cause water retention. Electrolytes are a part of it and that includes salt. Sometimes too much or too little will have the same effect.

      My doctor told me I should be going to the bathroom 4-6 times a day.
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      • #18
        The research supporting the standard recommendation of 64oz per day for everybody is practically nonexistent.

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        • #19
          Hmmm - I believe I have always been told that for an average day you divide your weight by 2 to get your daily minimum of water (some of which can be in your food & other healthy drinks). By my calculation you should have 8 (8 oz) glasses of water on Sunday. I'm not sure you need an entire additional 8 glasses of water on your active days. I'd think though that you will be very thirsty if you just cut your daily gallon (16 glasses) to 8. But I'd try lowering it to 12 and see how you feel, but definitively try to get to 8 on your rest Sundays jmo.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dvuong View Post
            1) I eat 3 meals a day and each meal consists of: 2-4 servings of veggies sauteed in ~1 tbsp ghee/coconut oil and 4-6 ounces of meat. There might be some variation like, for lunch, I'll have a salad with some meat and 1/2 avocado or guacamole.. Or breakfast, for my protein I'll have 1 sausage and 1 egg. Some days, I will have a little bit of fruit or nuts to snack. My daily caloric intake is about 1500 calories, some days a little more if I'm hungry. Sometimes, I'll have extra veggies, so I can eat up to 1lb of veggies in 1 meal. Is that too much?

            2) I have been a little inconsistent with working out for the past month or so but it's usually 3-5 days of running (3-6 miles and 1 long run) , 1 day of riding to work (25 miles), and I started to do some weight training but I sprained my arm recently and haven't been able to put any weight on it. I enjoy running 1/2 marathons and have run 1 marathon in the last year. Also, most of my runs are at a moderate aerobic level. I keep my heart rate around 75% unless I'm racing.

            I drink plenty of water a day (1 gallon) so I also spend a lot of time getting up to use the bathroom. The bathroom is actually quite a distance from my office so I get up and walk at least once every hour.

            3) I have a thermometer but I've never tried taking my temp unless I was sick. What does temperature indicate? I'll give that a shot.

            I'm not sure if this is important info but when I was younger, I was extremely overweight. I lost about 40-50 pounds when I was in college from calorie restriction and exercise.
            It sounds like to me you eat a rather high fat/very low carbohydrate diet. Given your photos, I would imagine that to be a mistake. The purpose of the thermometer is to test your thyroid. A diet of meat, vegetables and fat is very anti-thyroid. Unsaturated fats are anti-thyroid (nuts, liquid vegetable oils), green vegetables (especially crucifers) are anti-thyroid and a diet high in muscle meat but low in gelatinous meats are anti-thyroid. Pro-thyroid foods are fruits and sugars (honey, maple syrup, molasses), salt, saturated fats (coconut oil and grassfed dairy) and foods high in soluble fiber as they attach to estrogens and sweep them out of the body (raw carrots, white potatoes, bananas).

            It sounds like to me you're eating a diet rich in unsaturated fats, low in sodium, low in starch and very low in sodium. Paired with a low calorie intake (1500 kcal), that's the perfect storm for hypothyroidism. Measuring your temperature immediately upon waking will give you your basal body temperature. Keep that thermometer next to your bed - don't even walk to the bathroom to get it because the activity will start waking you up. I would estimate your body temperature is in the 97's, and a degree when it comes to your body temperature is a massive difference in metabolic rate. Some low carb zealots idle in the 96's. Cold hands and feed abound!

            Running all those miles on 1500 carbohydrate-free kcals must be a massive stressor as well.

            I'd eat significantly less fat, eat more fruit and starch, banish nuts and liquid vegetable oils from my diet (cook only in coconut oil and pastured butter), run a lot less, switch those cardio days for heavy lifting days, start salting my food heavily, have a strong preference to ruminant meat instead of pork, fish or poultry and if your body temperature comes back low, consider taking a natural dessicated thyroid supplement like Raw Thyroid and Raw Adrenal.
            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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            • #21
              Don't forget you are getting lots of water from your veggies andother sources as well

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                It sounds like to me you eat a rather high fat/very low carbohydrate diet. Given your photos, I would imagine that to be a mistake. The purpose of the thermometer is to test your thyroid. A diet of meat, vegetables and fat is very anti-thyroid. Unsaturated fats are anti-thyroid (nuts, liquid vegetable oils), green vegetables (especially crucifers) are anti-thyroid and a diet high in muscle meat but low in gelatinous meats are anti-thyroid. Pro-thyroid foods are fruits and sugars (honey, maple syrup, molasses), salt, saturated fats (coconut oil and grassfed dairy) and foods high in soluble fiber as they attach to estrogens and sweep them out of the body (raw carrots, white potatoes, bananas).

                It sounds like to me you're eating a diet rich in unsaturated fats, low in sodium, low in starch and very low in sodium. Paired with a low calorie intake (1500 kcal), that's the perfect storm for hypothyroidism. Measuring your temperature immediately upon waking will give you your basal body temperature. Keep that thermometer next to your bed - don't even walk to the bathroom to get it because the activity will start waking you up. I would estimate your body temperature is in the 97's, and a degree when it comes to your body temperature is a massive difference in metabolic rate. Some low carb zealots idle in the 96's. Cold hands and feed abound!

                Running all those miles on 1500 carbohydrate-free kcals must be a massive stressor as well.

                I'd eat significantly less fat, eat more fruit and starch, banish nuts and liquid vegetable oils from my diet (cook only in coconut oil and pastured butter), run a lot less, switch those cardio days for heavy lifting days, start salting my food heavily, have a strong preference to ruminant meat instead of pork, fish or poultry and if your body temperature comes back low, consider taking a natural dessicated thyroid supplement like Raw Thyroid and Raw Adrenal.
                Wow, thank you for your reply. I guess I avoided fruit and starches because that was usually the prescription for people who needed to lose weight/cut fat on the paleo diet. Unless it's a heavy cardio day, my guess is I usually eat about 50-80 grams of carbs from vegetables. Can you help me figure out where I can cut fat from? I don't' eat nuts that often.. and so the fat I'm getting usually comes from coconut oil, ghee, and occasionally olive oil, and fats from meat.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dvuong View Post
                  Wow, thank you for your reply. I guess I avoided fruit and starches because that was usually the prescription for people who needed to lose weight/cut fat on the paleo diet. Unless it's a heavy cardio day, my guess is I usually eat about 50-80 grams of carbs from vegetables. Can you help me figure out where I can cut fat from? I don't' eat nuts that often.. and so the fat I'm getting usually comes from coconut oil, ghee, and occasionally olive oil, and fats from meat.
                  Sure. Don't add fat to your foods. Get used to roasting, baking, braising and broiling. Eat leaner meats. Embrace the slow cooker - possibly the greatest kitchen gadget ever (next to my ice cream maker of course). I roast and braise most of my meats. I really only use pans to sear, and you can sear a 5 pound roast in 1 teaspoon of fat.
                  Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    Sure. Don't add fat to your foods. Get used to roasting, baking, braising and broiling. Eat leaner meats. Embrace the slow cooker - possibly the greatest kitchen gadget ever (next to my ice cream maker of course). I roast and braise most of my meats. I really only use pans to sear, and you can sear a 5 pound roast in 1 teaspoon of fat.
                    Not that I'm doubting you as I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to reply.. but I'm a little bit confused. Cutting fats and upping carbs seem to go against paleo/primal. I'm trying to stay within the carb curb.. <100 g carbs. Perhaps I'm not understanding the concept correctly?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by dvuong View Post
                      Not that I'm doubting you as I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to reply.. but I'm a little bit confused. Cutting fats and upping carbs seem to go against paleo/primal. I'm trying to stay within the carb curb.. <100 g carbs. Perhaps I'm not understanding the concept correctly?
                      Primal means different things to different people. In my opinion, the ratio of things like fats/carbs/proteins can vary a lot from each individual. If one is not working for you, try something else. It's a good place to start, anyway. Primal is not necessarily about eating TONS OF FAT, but definitely more than the standard American diet would call for, and vice versa for carbs (lower than SAD).
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by dvuong View Post
                        Not that I'm doubting you as I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to reply.. but I'm a little bit confused. Cutting fats and upping carbs seem to go against paleo/primal. I'm trying to stay within the carb curb.. <100 g carbs. Perhaps I'm not understanding the concept correctly?
                        Different people have found that different things work for them. Choco has the same advice for everybody: eat lots of carbs, avoid all fat.

                        He is an outlier.

                        It might work for you. No way would it work for me, as I couldn't stick to an essentially fat-free diet he recommends without going nuts and binging on heart-healthy saturated fat.

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                        • #27
                          If you suspect you have low thyroid (hypothyroid), cold hands & feet,low body temperature (there are a lot of other symptoms) get your TSH level checked. If it's high, test for Hashimoto's. Whatever you do, do not start treating yourself, find someone who is skilled at treating it, it is more complex than you might imagine.

                          I speak from experience, had all the symptoms of low thyroid and my doctor just dismissed them, I think mainly because I wasn't overweight ( I have pretty much the same body as you, only I'm much older). I too kept wondering why my fat persisted on my belly. I had my TSH checked and the doc said it was a little high but we'd check it again in 9 months. 9 months later my TSH was 3 times as high. In the meantime I'd been eating pretty faithfully low carb (not a big fan of fruit) and probably too much goitrogenic foods, I was also taking supplements that put fuel on the fire. Now I'm trying to find a doctor that has experience treating Hashimoto's.

                          BTW one thing I read in my search was that if you have Hashi's do not drink too much water.
                          Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                          • #28
                            I had my Thyroid levels checked recently because I was hypo for a short while. The doctor put me on a low dose of levothyroxine and after experiencing some side effects, he took me off of them. He checked my thyroid levels after I went off and they were normal. He's been monitoring me ever since. I was last checked at the beginning of the month and my TSH is 1.5, which is within normal range (0.450-4.5)

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                            • #29
                              Dvoung, sounds like you don't have hypothyroid so eating the low thyroid diet Choco suggested wouldn't apply to you.
                              Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                              • #30
                                So I punched in my meals into MFP, and it looks like my Fat is 60-70g, Carb ~80g, Protein 80-100g on a regular non-cheat day. So.. I'm roughly 50% Fat, 30% protein, and 20% carb.

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