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  • #16
    Originally posted by Lumifer View Post
    I'm more or less in the same boat. Had my bloodwork done -- all is excellent except for LDL cholesterol. And yes, I had a particle count done and it's high. Specifically:

    LDL-P 1905 (that's about 95% percentile)
    LDL-C 160
    APO-B 120

    TC 250

    The rest is pretty much perfect

    TG 51
    HDL-C 80
    LDL pattern A
    small LDL-P is only 149
    HDL-P 37

    My BP is normal, my inflammation markers are low, my glucose/insulin is fine.

    I am well aware of the variety of sources which say cholesterol numbers don't matter. However I am also aware of a variety of sources which say they do.
    How long have you been primal?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by AJR View Post
      How long have you been primal?
      "Primal" is a very vague term. I have never eaten a Standard American Diet. Generally speaking, I eat lowish-carb with most carbs coming from fruits and vegetables. I avoid (not 100%) grains and almost never eat sugar. My diet is relatively high-protein (the usual beef, pork, chicken, etc.), the fats are what's attached to the meat plus some butter, some olive oil. I eat dairy but 80% of that is cream-spiked kefir that I make myself, the rest is cheese. I am lactose tolerant and gluten tolerant.

      Oh, and I also do intermittent fasting. Not really by design, my life just works out to be structured this way. My last food of the day is around 8-9pm and then I don't eat until midday the next day.
      Last edited by Lumifer; 05-23-2013, 08:54 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by AJR View Post
        No - no change in type or quantity of salt...

        Bloodwork results:
        Total cholesterol 266
        HDL 73
        Trigs 52
        LDL 183
        Chol/HDLC ratio 3.6
        With triglycerides under 100 the tendency is for LDL particle to the larger fluffy type. HDL above the standard 50 level also reinforces this trend for LDL type. (http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cont...1/F1.large.jpg)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Lumifer View Post
          I'm more or less in the same boat. Had my bloodwork done -- all is excellent except for LDL cholesterol. And yes, I had a particle count done and it's high. Specifically:

          LDL-P 1905 (that's about 95% percentile)
          LDL-C 160
          APO-B 120

          TC 250

          The rest is pretty much perfect

          TG 51
          HDL-C 80
          LDL pattern A
          small LDL-P is only 149
          HDL-P 37

          My BP is normal, my inflammation markers are low, my glucose/insulin is fine.

          I am well aware of the variety of sources which say cholesterol numbers don't matter. However I am also aware of a variety of sources which say they do.
          Yikes, Lumifer you ought to get tested for familial hypercholesterolemia. Thats an awfully high LDL-P!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by primalmedic413 View Post
            Yikes, Lumifer you ought to get tested for familial hypercholesterolemia. Thats an awfully high LDL-P!
            Yep, I will, next in line are tests for FH and for APoE status. On the other hand, none of of my immediate ancestors had unusually early heart disease.

            I guess we'll see.

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            • #21
              Read Griff's Primer on Cholesterol and post the ratios,
              "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                Read Griff's Primer on Cholesterol and post the ratios,
                I've read the Griff primer. It is a primer. Things like Peter Attia's cholesterol series look more useful to me. Add Hyperlipid, LLVLC, Masterjohn, etc. to taste :-)

                All my ratios are fine. However I'm not willing to accept them as the best possible estimator of my CVD risk.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kegas76 View Post
                  With triglycerides under 100 the tendency is for LDL particle to the larger fluffy type. HDL above the standard 50 level also reinforces this trend for LDL type. (http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/cont...1/F1.large.jpg)
                  Once you account for LDL-P, the relationship of atherosclerosis to particle size is abolished. Big and fluffy or small and dense doesn't matter if particle count is high.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AJR View Post
                    What's scary is that traditional medicine thinks this number is high. With the recent moves to set insurance premiums based on the individual's numbers I get worried.
                    That's really sick and twisted. Financially force people to eat what the government says they should eat.

                    Sounds like something Amerika would do; "Buy the white bread, take the drugs, or else".

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by AJR View Post
                      No - no change in type or quantity of salt...

                      Bloodwork results:
                      Total cholesterol 266
                      HDL 73
                      Trigs 52
                      LDL 183
                      Chol/HDLC ratio 3.6
                      Very good ratios there, I think you're doing everything right.

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                      • #26
                        I found a couple of good articles on the LDL size (large vs. small) and left them with my doc. He asked me to come back in for another round of bloodwork today to see where I'm at so more info to come...

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                        • #27
                          I recently had bloodwork done and had similar numbers. Of course I got the 'your cholesterol is high, you need to eat less fat and exercise more'. Well I probably could exercise more, but when I did the ratios, I was fine. The only 'high' number was total cholesterol, 216. Total cholesterol is a meaningless number, unless you are over 350. I do have hashis and IBS and have been gluten/grain free for 8 months and trying to be as primal as I can. I feel the best I have in a long time, so I'm just ignoring the doctors orders.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by primalmedic413 View Post
                            Your ratios are solid. To be completely sure, get an LDL particle count.
                            Had a VAP done:

                            Total LDL-C direct = 218
                            Total HDL-C direct = 72
                            Total VLDL-C direct = 18
                            Total cholesterol = 308
                            Trigs direct = 64

                            Total non HDL-C = 236
                            Total APOB100 = 146

                            LP(a) = 8.0
                            IDL-C = 31
                            REAL LDL-C = 178
                            SUM TOTAL LDL-C = 218
                            real LDL size pattern = A

                            Remnant LIPO = 42

                            HDL-2 = 23
                            HDL-3 = 49
                            VLDL-3 = 11


                            The three ratios are still good - any other thoughts? Thanks!

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                            • #29
                              ^ So what is this saying, that you have large safe "pattern A" LDL and a good (low) number for bad VLDL?

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                              • #30
                                I just got my bloodwork done for the first time since I went primal and here are my raw numbers. Its also the first time in my life I have had "high" cholesterol. It looks like they used the Friedman calculation:

                                Cholesterol 303
                                Trig 52
                                HDL 58
                                LDL 235

                                If I run them through the Iranian formulae I get:
                                Cholesterol 303
                                Trig 52
                                HDL 58
                                LDL 191

                                Reading Griff's primer it seems I may have an LDL issue, so I will ask for a VAP and CRP test if the followup test shows weird ratios again:

                                RATIOS OPTIMUM FRIEDMAN IRANIAN
                                Total/HDL <5 5.22 5.22
                                Trig/HDL <2 0.90 0.90
                                LDL/HDL <4.3 4.04 3.30
                                Should I be worried about Total/HDL ratio? If there is an LDL issue the only thing I can think of is that I eat eggs for breakfast each morning and I like them cooked through (not runny) and I like my meat to be as close to charcoal as possible. Could this combo be causing LDL issues?

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