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  • Calling out to women re: calories

    I know, I know. I've been primal for almost three years, but I'm feeling so frustrated right now.

    In the beginning I was 5'3" 168lbs and eating around 2000+ cal and losing....slowly, but losing. Lost close to 30 lbs. plateaued at a size 8 weighing 144. I know my body is going through healing. Gut, high cortisol, etc. The gut part is doing much much better. I'm taking steps to lower cortisol

    I am calling out to women re: their calories. If I eat until I'm satisfied I land about 1800.but I'm not losing the belly fat. I have been attempting to take the calories down to 1500 (according to Primal Blueprint book) and I am hungry. According to Julia Ross I am not getting properly nourished unless I eat at least 2000 cal.

    I had one day this past week where I ate over 2000 cal and weighed less the next morning. This morning, after meeting my calorie goal, being slightly hungry, I'm back up to 144.8.

    I just want to do what's right for my body

    I have a journal if you want to see details, but I'm eating meat, veggies, berries, occasional banana & apple, occasional nuts. I cut way back on cream, but have butter, coconut milk, oil, olive oil etc etc. I guess I must confess I have been eating about 1 oz of potato chips at lunch. Those are probably not nourishing me.

    What are you ladies doing?
    Favorite Mark Quote: "I train to play."

    June 2010: 168.6 -size 16
    Current: 155 - size 10/12
    Goal:135 - size 8

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  • #2
    Sorry calorie wise I can't help, as I don't count. But scale wise I would say check once a week as water weight, bulk etc. will show up in such a small difference, also I find it takes more than a day for my system to acknowledge what I have eaten, so if I have pigged out then it may not show up for a couple of days. I would say eat less for a week then see.
    Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
    Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
    Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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    • #3
      I ran some experiments on myself and realized that it takes a full 3 weeks to see any change in my body due to cutting or adding calories. So I never accept "the day after" as evidence of anything.

      I can't say I've become slender but I find that if I just eat a palm-sized (minus fingers) portion of meat at each of three meals and either a sweet potato or vegetables or both along with it, and avoid daily wine and chocolate, I will start to lose weight. But I usually will sabotage myself eventually, hence not much change in my body.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #4
        I find that I have to be slightly hungry, but not white-knuckled hungry. And not to graze after supper. Normally about 800 cals before supper and as small supper as I can manage, for about 1600 cals a day is when I sleep Okay and weight about 15 lbs more than I would like to. For now I accept it, since not sleeping is a bad thing.
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        • #5
          Ok. I looked at my calories for the past week. It ranged from 1549-2088 with an average of 1734. So I guess I can't really say I have given the 1500 a real try yet. Hmmm. I need to do something to feel more full. That usually means more fat or protein.
          Favorite Mark Quote: "I train to play."

          June 2010: 168.6 -size 16
          Current: 155 - size 10/12
          Goal:135 - size 8

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          • #6
            I guess I must confess I have been eating about 1 oz of potato chips at lunch. Those are probably not nourishing me.
            Those could bloat you easily and keep your belly fat.

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            • #7
              I can lose fat on large amounts of good food (e.g. 2500 - 3000kcal), I will gain weight on small amounts of junk food. I have crappy carb tolerance however, and junk food always nukes my energy for exercise, which in turn messes up my sleep patterns. I love fat and eats lots of it.

              I don't know what you have or haven't weighed in the past, when younger, but your body may have got to where it wants to be.

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              • #8
                I wouldn't cut cals too much... In all my experience it just leads to a dangerous game and it's not sustainable. You might end up binging or else just putting the weight back on once you reach your goal.

                Play with what you're eating. Have a few high carb, low fat days a week, just to mix it up. Some people (when they get to a certain level of slenderness) lose more fat on a lower fat diet. When I was eating HFLC I was restricting a lot, but I never got skinny like I did eating low fat.

                And like Sbhikes said, be patient: it takes a few weeks for changes to show.
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #9
                  I'm 5'3" and I weighed around 130 in my 20s. In high school I was about a size 7 I think. I wasn't muscular though. In between babies I got to 130 and size 8. So I am real close to my goal. I am strong. I can easily do 5k mud runs and just completed my first 10K mud race. I am thankful for the strength, health and energy i have. What I am mostly focused on is the belly fat. Pre-primal I gained a lot of weight with my 3 pregnancies and really stretched out my body. With PCOS and high cortisol I know the fat receptors are in my middle.

                  Thanks for the replies! They are very helpful. I have been letting in the little bits of junk food. Time to focus on getting full on the good stuff.
                  Favorite Mark Quote: "I train to play."

                  June 2010: 168.6 -size 16
                  Current: 155 - size 10/12
                  Goal:135 - size 8

                  My Journal

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                  • #10
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                    These pictures can give an idea of the area I am focusing on.
                    Favorite Mark Quote: "I train to play."

                    June 2010: 168.6 -size 16
                    Current: 155 - size 10/12
                    Goal:135 - size 8

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                    • #11
                      I was eating 1600 cals/day and I think it triggered very bad episodes of bingeing for me. Granted, I already have issues with this in the first place, but I think the calorie restriction that low really set me off. So just be careful. If you have tried eating 1500 cals and you are still hungry, you probably shouldn't keep calories that low for a sustained period of time. It could come back to bite you like it did me. Just my opinion. I also agree, get rid of the junk food. It's only going to hinder your progress.

                      Have you tried adding some light cardio workout? Mark recommends that in his book, staying at heart rate of 55-75% of max heart rate for 2-5 hours a week. That might help shed some body fat without exacerbating your already high cortisol.

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                      • #12
                        I'm walking with my boys for an hour 2-3x a week. Sometimes we get a nice hike in on the weekends. I want to get to the place of a daily walk.
                        Favorite Mark Quote: "I train to play."

                        June 2010: 168.6 -size 16
                        Current: 155 - size 10/12
                        Goal:135 - size 8

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                        • #13
                          For me to lose in a satisfactory manner (i.e., 1-2 pounds per week) - 1200 cal per day with one or two days (usually the weekend) at 1400-1600 each week. My n=1 theory is that if I bump the calories up one or two days a week, my body will know there's food out there and not try to hold on to every calorie.

                          For me to get past a plateau. If I've really been sticking to the above, i.e., I've logged every morsel of food I put in my mouth, and I stay at the same weight for more than 10 days, first I fight the urge to throw the bathroom scale through the window, then I plan a day to eat 1800-2000 calories. Plan, not just go out and binge on everything in sight.

                          To maintain. To maintain 140 pounds, I eat about 1600 calories a day. I should probably weigh about 120, but I don't care enough about it to hassle with it. LOL (One of the comforts for me of getting old.)

                          I'm in my late 50s and I don't exercise as much as I should, especially in summer. I've tried numerous attempts at eating to satiation on Atkins and other lower carb approaches. When I do that, I always gain. I will say that for me, 1600 calories is pretty comfortable; I'm not hungry at the end of the day. I also think the upday, downday thing some people are doing is great, and as is "fasting" two days a week on 500 calories. JMO and what works for me.
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                          • #14
                            I'm one who has to count calories in order to lose weight. I hate it but it's the only way. I can lift weights all day, and exercise for hours....I will not lose an ounce until I start counting. Anything over 1500, no loss. I'm an inch taller than you are.

                            What works for me is less fat and no dairy except for cream in my coffee. I lose weight on lean meat, fruits and veggies. No slathering stuff in butter or olive oil. No second helpings. No starchy carbs like rice or potatoes.....I would love to eat them but I never lose an ounce if I do, so I reserve those for special outings, like going to get sushi, or going to a burger and fries place. I can tolerate bananas, that's about the starchiest thing I can consume daily. I absolutely love the food, and my appetite has dialed way WAY back on primal, because I'm getting nourishment from the good food I eat. So I am very content with less than others. I have coffee with cream for breakfast, usually some kind of omelet (3 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, veggies) or a giant banana/berry smoothie for lunch, and dinner is usually some kind of fish or meat and veggies. I love eating this way.

                            Right now I'm lifting weights 3 times a week, jogging every other day, and biking everywhere. Plus some walks and once weekly all day Mortal Kombat gardening. That's where I go outside and murder weeds with my awesome finishing moves. I have a lot of weeds.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Momto3 View Post
                              I'm 5'3" and I weighed around 130 in my 20s. In high school I was about a size 7 I think. I wasn't muscular though. In between babies I got to 130 and size 8. So I am real close to my goal. I am strong. I can easily do 5k mud runs and just completed my first 10K mud race. I am thankful for the strength, health and energy i have. What I am mostly focused on is the belly fat. Pre-primal I gained a lot of weight with my 3 pregnancies and really stretched out my body. With PCOS and high cortisol I know the fat receptors are in my middle.

                              Thanks for the replies! They are very helpful. I have been letting in the little bits of junk food. Time to focus on getting full on the good stuff.
                              Originally posted by Momto3 View Post
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                              These pictures can give an idea of the area I am focusing on.
                              We're about the same size. Funny how I can also be 5'3" and 130lbs but I'm a size 4-6. I've always been pretty heavy for my size, but I still can't say that anyone would ever look at me and aspire to have my figure. I have come to accept that the size I am is pretty much my best self. I have good health, I am not repulsive, I could wear a bikini if I wanted to (although I feel very self-conscious.) At some point I suppose some of us decide that our high school selves maybe weren't fully-formed and that it's okay to maintain a certain amount of womanliness. Egads, at one point I was a size 6 in high school and back then a size 6 was tiny. I weighed less than 110lbs. I aimed to eat 500 calories a day. I was on the cross-country team. I think I maintained that for about 6 months and then ballooned/rebounded to the fattest I ever got. I'm done with the whole starve/rebound cycle.

                              Anyway, I've found that the more athletic kinds of lifting seem to trim a little off my belly, as do sprints. I quit sprinting though since the last time I wet myself so embarrassingly that I just have been too afraid to do it again. But stuff like power cleans and full cleans, high pulls and my olympic lifting class have seemed to help. I'm even considering buying a bar so I can keep doing these since they're not allowed at my gym.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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