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  • #76
    Originally posted by jackaaron View Post
    So, you differ from the site in that you advocate far more fruits, and starches.

    And, lean meats, but I don't think the site is anti-lean meats unless we have two different definitions of lean meats. I would ask what you think are lean meats, but I don't want to push!

    I mean, top sirloin is a lean meat, there's no one that's Paleo here that's against that, I would think.

    As far as starches, not sure exactly which ones I think you're advocating.
    I'll agree top sirloin is lean meat. Eye round, top round, bottom round, liver, chicken breast, pork loin, turkey breast/tenderloin, 93+% ground meats, well trimmed brisket, even filet mignon all classify as lean meats. It's really simpler than that, though. It's not adding fat to your cooking. A big stride I made was to stop frying everything. Embrace baking, roasting, broiling and braising. Get yourself a huge slow cooker. These methods are not only healthier because they are gentler on the meat and produce less carcinogens, but they're lower calorie since you're not adding tons of unnecessary refined fats (yes butter, olive oil, coconut oil, etc are all refined fats regardless of pressing method, virgin or not) to your cooking.

    I don't advocate eating fruit and starch for the sake of eating fruit and starch. I think it's a better overall energy source. That doesn't mean cut the fat out of your diet for these things. What it means is to embrace it all and try different ratios until you find what feels best for you. Different people are naturally going to perform better eating different foods, but I believe most of the people on this site the Carbohydrate Curve does harm. Instead of counting carbs and pouring extra refined fats onto your foods in a desperate attempt for energy, just eat real food. I don't add much fat to my foods, but I don't add much sugar, either.
    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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    • #77
      I go to a poker forum what do I get? Poker advice. I come here...well...uh...

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      • #78
        Originally posted by GiGiEats View Post
        I think if I ate 80% carbs I would DIE. My stomach can barely handle 20%!
        10% of my calories come from carbs, and doing great (60% from fat, 30% proteins)

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        • #79
          Always wondered why this guy looks so unhealthy!

          campbellDSC_0117opti.jpg

          He's only 50 aswell!

          (not really)

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          • #80
            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
            I'll agree top sirloin is lean meat. Eye round, top round, bottom round, liver, chicken breast, pork loin, turkey breast/tenderloin, 93+% ground meats, well trimmed brisket, even filet mignon all classify as lean meats. It's really simpler than that, though. It's not adding fat to your cooking. A big stride I made was to stop frying everything. Embrace baking, roasting, broiling and braising. Get yourself a huge slow cooker. These methods are not only healthier because they are gentler on the meat and produce less carcinogens, but they're lower calorie since you're not adding tons of unnecessary refined fats (yes butter, olive oil, coconut oil, etc are all refined fats regardless of pressing method, virgin or not) to your cooking.

            I don't advocate eating fruit and starch for the sake of eating fruit and starch. I think it's a better overall energy source. That doesn't mean cut the fat out of your diet for these things. What it means is to embrace it all and try different ratios until you find what feels best for you. Different people are naturally going to perform better eating different foods, but I believe most of the people on this site the Carbohydrate Curve does harm. Instead of counting carbs and pouring extra refined fats onto your foods in a desperate attempt for energy, just eat real food. I don't add much fat to my foods, but I don't add much sugar, either.
            What about coconut oil, tallow, ghee? Why wouldn't you add those fats to your cooking? They're low in PUFA right? Even olive oil is mostly monosaturated. What's the problem with them? Do you still embrace dairy btw? I've been perusing your blog.

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            • #81
              Oh and why is fish bad? The PUFA's are omega 3's that are good right? Or am I getting something confused. I know some fish is bad, but not salmon, halibut, sardines, etc. right?

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              • #82
                What is this thread even about??

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                • #83
                  Thats a joke right? We are at "smoking is good for you" level of trolling now?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                    What is this thread even about??
                    Well, I started it to see if anyone had read the book and what their thoughts were on it, but from 9 pages of posts, it doesn't look like anyones actually read it yet? I just started it and have read the intro so far. Hoping to get a few chapters in today
                    Last edited by mom23kids; 06-05-2013, 06:15 AM.
                    *Sara*

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Goldensparrow View Post
                      What about coconut oil, tallow, ghee? Why wouldn't you add those fats to your cooking? They're low in PUFA right? Even olive oil is mostly monosaturated. What's the problem with them? Do you still embrace dairy btw? I've been perusing your blog.
                      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                      I don't claim low fat. I just don't claim high fat. If you're asking me which is a better source of energy per calorie - fat or carbs - I'm going to tell you carbs. That doesn't mean I think fat should be very low.
                      Except that's what you are advocating, eating lean protein, starches, and fruits, and avoiding all added fats. That qualifies as "very low fat".

                      And when I see people making fake pancakes and breads out of nut meals and nut butters, I sort of get a chill down my spine.
                      It's called fat phobia, the irrational fear that somewhere, someone is using fat to cook or flavor their food. That can be fixed.

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                      • #86
                        So who has that Michael Jackson popcorn gif? This thread is awesome

                        Derpamix- here's a "haggard" Inuit woman for you: An image on imgfave

                        Leida- Rabbit starvation is when you only eat protein but have no fat or carbs to support it. (Rabbits are so lean they're essentially just protein.)
                        http://cattaillady.com/ My blog exploring the beginning stages of learning how to homestead. With the occasional rant.

                        Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

                        And now I have an Etsy store: CattailsandCalendula

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          It's called fat phobia, the irrational fear that somewhere, someone is using fat to cook or flavor their food. That can be fixed.
                          No, he is afraid of cooking something with high PUFA content, heating up and oxidizing the PUFA. And nut flour for pancakes could fall into this category.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by drssgchic View Post
                            So who has that Michael Jackson popcorn gif? This thread is awesome

                            Derpamix- here's a "haggard" Inuit woman for you: An image on imgfave

                            Leida- Rabbit starvation is when you only eat protein but have no fat or carbs to support it. (Rabbits are so lean they're essentially just protein.)
                            Depression Lies

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                              Thank you!
                              http://cattaillady.com/ My blog exploring the beginning stages of learning how to homestead. With the occasional rant.

                              Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

                              And now I have an Etsy store: CattailsandCalendula

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by drssgchic View Post
                                So who has that Michael Jackson popcorn gif? This thread is awesome

                                Derpamix- here's a "haggard" Inuit woman for you: An image on imgfave

                                Leida- Rabbit starvation is when you only eat protein but have no fat or carbs to support it. (Rabbits are so lean they're essentially just protein.)
                                Thanks for backing me up, she does indeed look really haggard(gigantic bags under her eyes, and the easily visible wrinkles)
                                Make America Great Again

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