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  • #16
    Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
    Apparently, plenty of people on this forum have no problem tolerating severe lifelong restrictions:
    If it doesn't feel restrictive to the person living it... is it "restrictive"?

    I don't feel restricted in my food choices. I'm HFLC and quite happy.
    (Though I don't try to hit 80%... only about 65% as is needed for ketosis.)
    I also feel free of many of the symptoms of my autoimmune disease that rode me into the ground day after day for nearly 15 years... because I "restrict" myself and don't eat any grains at all.
    It's a wonderful thing IMO.

    Derp is the opposite of me, he prefers low fat.

    If we were to swap diets we would both likely be miserable and feel restricted however.
    Not to mention I know that I would be sick, due to my needs for my brain condition...
    And I believe that he would be too since he is very lean and has a higher metabolism, and is simply not suited to HFLC/ketosis.

    Different strokes...
    People do genuinely have different needs in this world and it cannot be boiled down to one right way.
    There may be people who feel their best on 80/10/10.
    Durian Rider seems to love it and he's been doing it for years.
    Is it my place to tell him he is wrong just because he says I am?
    Probably not.

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    Last edited by cori93437; 05-21-2013, 09:50 PM.
    “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
    ~Friedrich Nietzsche
    And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by anna5 View Post
      80% carbs??? Why does he hate humans so much?
      I'd probably do 80% carbs before I'd do 80% fat for a multitude of health reasons, and people around here frequently shoot for the 70+% range of fat. Eek, no wonder so many people have cold hands and feet, thinning hair and body temps in the 96's around here. That being said, 10% protein is far too low. I wouldn't want to keep fat that low either because it'll encourage de novo lipogenesis. I personally like around 30% fat, 30% protein and 40% carbs for the average person.
      Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
        How is eating 80% carbs any more restrictive than 80% fat?
        It isn't in terms of restriction. However, it's actually more efficient at producing energy. People in paleo circles think carbs are bad because their perception of how they feel on carbs is Snickers, Doritos and pasta. The funny thing is, most of the foods that are considered "carbs" (pizza, ice cream, cake, cookies, brownies, potato chips) are much higher in fat than they are in carbs. Look at the nutrition facts on all those things - pizza, ice cream, Oreos, Herrs potato chips...they are all higher in fat than carbs.

        Yes, grain flour fortified with soybean oil is very, very bad. In fact, it's probably the seed oils making you feel worse than any of the toxins in the grains. 80% carbs from potatoes, apples, sweet potatoes, mangoes and bananas probably won't make you feel bad. It'll probably make you feel awesome. In addition, consuming lower fat ranges in the 10-30% range where the fat is restricted to incidental fats from ruminant meat and dairy and the rest of the energy coming from carbs from fruits and starches is probably most ideal since fruit and starch convert mostly to SFA and some omega-9 MUFA in the body. It's the ultimate low-PUFA diet, and that's what's really killing us. Polyunsaturated fat is the neolithic agent of disease. The problem I see with grains lies with gluten grains and their inherent nutrient deficiencies. Personally, I minimize grain consumption due to nutrient density, but I'm open to masa and white rice here and there. PUFA oils I avoid like the plague.
        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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        • #19
          I think this is an area where macros are going to vary depending on gender, age, genes, health issues and activity levels. People like me and Cori really need fat for our brains. Maybe some 20-year-old guy guy with a tropical ancestry that runs marathons needs more carbs. Do what seems to work for you.
          Durp.

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          • #20
            Everyone needs carbs for metabolic reasons; the body runs on glucose, not fat.

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            • #21
              Eek, no wonder so many people have cold hands and feet, thinning hair and body temps in the 96's around here.
              So many? Like one? Far and few between, and usually people with low post counts (trolls?) or people new at this whose bodies haven't adjusted. Your straw man is on fire, me thinks.

              Everyone needs carbs for metabolic reasons; the body runs on glucose, not fat.
              Or, backwards. You can get by perfectly well with 0 carbs for a very long time, but not without fat if you are eating enough meat.
              Crohn's, doing SCD

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                Apparently, plenty of people on this forum have no problem tolerating severe lifelong restrictions:



                How is eating 80% carbs any more restrictive than 80% fat?
                Really? Getting 80% of your calories from the most nutritionally poor high sugar food and you think that is good?????
                Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                • #23
                  I readily admit I have cold hands and feet... they have been that way as long as I can remember. Since at least middle school. And have been that way regardless of diet or level of carb intake.
                  I also have low blood pressure, and have had this my whole life.

                  I do not however experience, nor have I ever, any of the other "side effects" of HFLC that always get tossed out as "guaranteed".
                  And that includes getting my blood tested for some of those markers that get tossed around. Never low.
                  “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                  ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                  And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                    Everyone needs carbs for metabolic reasons; the body runs on glucose, not fat.
                    The body needs some glucose (which it can produce) but runs very very well on fat.
                    Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                      The real question is where is the evolutionary basis for 80% carbs, as opposed to 80% fat for which there is a basis.

                      It's not about being arbitrarily restrictive.
                      Which is? And they both end up in the same state: gluconeogenesis. Which is why I now consume much more protein.

                      Socio-anthropology is useless, it's a strawman based on historical inaccuracies and things you cannot prove. Throw the inuit in a tropical climate and I guarantee they wouldn't be craving polar bear and trying to get the majority of their calories from meat and fat. They also wouldn't look so torn up and haggard and probably feel much better too.

                      Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                      The body needs some glucose (which it can produce) but runs very very well on fat.
                      Which it produces very inefficiently, and the fact that it stubbornly will produce glucose regardless of your restrictive diet shows that it needs glucose.

                      Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                      Really? Getting 80% of your calories from the most nutritionally poor high sugar food and you think that is good?????
                      I guess fruit and roots are considered nutritionally poor whereas keto mongers consider butter and coconut oil(only possible way to enter ketosis is to consume lots of these sources of fat as the bulk of your calories) nutritionally dense.

                      You need more glucose, you're not thinking clearly.
                      Last edited by Derpamix; 05-22-2013, 02:20 AM.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                        So many? Like one? Far and few between, and usually people with low post counts (trolls?) or people new at this whose bodies haven't adjusted. Your straw man is on fire, me thinks.
                        There are countless posts about people with cold hands and feet, chills after eating and thinning hair. Do a search. In addition, most people that are hypothyroid (which is over half of the American population) have no idea. TSH DOES NOT diagnose hypothyroidism. It is a marker of pituitary function, so even blood tests don't work unless you get a full T3/T4/rT3/TSH and understand how to read it. Doctors don't order all them unless you specifically ask. The best marker of your thyroid function is simply a thermometer, and I can guarantee you legions of MDA'ers are in the 97's. Maybe even 96's. I run so hot thanks to my diet corrections (basically inverse 'Carbohydrate Curve') that I don't have to wear socks in the winter anymore. My feet are hot.

                        Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                        Or, backwards. You can get by perfectly well with 0 carbs for a very long time, but not without fat if you are eating enough meat.
                        Incorrect. Glucose is essential - so essential your body will sacrifice its own muscle, bone and organs to get it. Fat is not essential. It is supplemental. Your body requires about 200g of glucose a day for brain function, and about 50g on a pure 0 carbohydrate diet. How much fat does it need daily?

                        0g.

                        Whether or not you need something to survive doesn't dictate importance. Your body operates best when you eat both fat and carbohydrate. But your body needs glucose much more than fat. Funny thing is, the fat your body synthesizes from glucose is "cleaner" than the fats we ingest.
                        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          Which is? And they both end up in the same state: gluconeogenesis. Which is why I now consume much more protein.

                          Socio-anthropology is useless, it's a strawman based on historical inaccuracies and things you cannot prove. Throw the inuit in a tropical climate and I guarantee they wouldn't be craving polar bear and trying to get the majority of their calories from meat and fat. They also wouldn't look so torn up and haggard and probably feel much better too.



                          [1]Which it produces very inefficiently, and the fact that it stubbornly will produce glucose regardless of your restrictive diet shows that it needs glucose.


                          [2]I guess fruit and roots are considered nutritionally poor whereas keto mongers consider butter and coconut oil(only possible way to [3] enter ketosis is to consume lots of these sources of fat as the bulk of your calories) nutritionally dense.

                          [4]You need more glucose, you're not thinking clearly.
                          [1] Please considering you know nothing about MY diet i would love for you to explain how my diet in anyway restrictive? I eat a tonne of tasty veg, along with some healthy protein and fat! That veg produces more than enough glucose for the body or do you live in some pseudoscience world?

                          [2]Roots are fine but grains and fruit is nutritionally poor compared to veg and not a good choice in huge amounts due to the higher glucose and fructose content.

                          [3]I am not going to speak for those who want to go into ketosis, that is their choice.

                          [4]although the brain needs some glucose fat is a much more important for brain health
                          Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                          • #28
                            Every thread becomes the same thread, with the same players.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Finnegans Wake View Post
                              Every thread becomes the same thread, with the same players.
                              "Blue Steel? Ferrari? Le Tigra? They're the same face! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" - Mugatu

                              That said, I still read them every time. It is entertaining.

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                              • #30
                                Richard is now eating more protein after finding his original low goal wasn't high enough for him. So that makes zero forum members looking to do 80% fat long-term.

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