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  • #31
    Not everyone has the same reaction to artificial sweeteners, don't lump us in a bunch. I hate the taste of soda, but in a social occasion I will reach for a diet. On top of that, I flavor my coffee with equal and use the same when making a mixed alcoholic drink. It tastes fine, I feel fine, I'm 5'4 and 100 soaking wet, so don't lump all your fake sugar users into one.

    If one day I get cancer and die, you have my full permission to laugh. Until then, reserve your judgments
    F 28/5'4/100 lbs

    "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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    • #32
      @Cyrone

      I used to binge on sugar (in things like cookies, milk chocolate, sometimes candies but that was not my usual fix). I could go crazy on the cake / cookies / chocolate like I would not stop until there was nothing left at home. I would have sugary stuff many times in the day (from breakfast with sweet jams, pastries to after dinner with cakes / chocolate via snacks here and there in-between). Every single day. And sometimes at night when I was working late. My wife was really pissed because I really emptied the cookie drawers, etc. Our food budget was heavily burdened by sugary stuff.

      Anyway, I went cold turkey a few times. And every time, I developed migraines after 2-3 days which lasted a couple of days. I could then be sugar free for maybe a few months at a time but would eventually fall back. The thing that made me stop altogether for good (8 months now and no cravings whatsoever) is the elimination of all grains, in particular wheat (was addicted to the shit). I since discovered that I could satisfy my sweet tooth (which is rare these days) with a bit of xylitol here and there. Some ppl find they cannot tolerate xylitol due to digestion issue. I have no problem with it (actually, none in my family ever had problems with xylitol). We don't eat very much of it and it provides all the sweetness sugar provides without the health issues sugar is known for. Xylitol is not addictive and low glycemic, plus it is good for your teeth. So if you do have cravings, try xylitol instead and you will gradually break away from sweet food cravings. The other thing is: xylitol is rather expensive which forces you to be moderate in your consumption

      Of course, you have to experiment and only you can tell whether this is working. It has worked big time for me.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Damiana View Post
        Not everyone has the same reaction to artificial sweeteners, don't lump us in a bunch. I hate the taste of soda, but in a social occasion I will reach for a diet. On top of that, I flavor my coffee with equal and use the same when making a mixed alcoholic drink. It tastes fine, I feel fine, I'm 5'4 and 100 soaking wet, so don't lump all your fake sugar users into one.

        If one day I get cancer and die, you have my full permission to laugh. Until then, reserve your judgments
        Maybe I should have added "IMO" but for those who don't understand contractions: "I'd" means "I would"; not that I was lumping anyone into any group - only that I was stating what I would do.
        Don't be so concerned about yesterday, or worried about tomorrow, that you forget to enjoy today.

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        • #34
          I'm going to give a completely different answer: I get sugar cravings when I'm tired - you've been out late, go to sleep! If you really can't sleep because your mind is whirling around "sugar sugar sugar", have some hot milk or water or herb tea w a drizzle of honey, or one square of dark chocolate or even (shhhh) a couple reeces pieces. But then brush teeth and hit the rack.

          Good luck this weekend!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cyrone View Post
            I may also try a half-can of Diet Sprite. No caffiene, no sugar, no carbs, and should replicate the feeling just fine.
            I just haven't had soda in so long tho
            Question: when you go out till 1am, are you out drinking booze? Drinking booze will give you sugar cravings like crazy.

            Don't drink diet Sprite. You don't want those sweetners, they're horrible for you in the long run. The way I deal with a carb craving is I have a piece of dark chocolate. And when I say that, I'm not talking a piece of Hershey's Dark which has tons of sugar in it. Go out and get a bar of Lindt 90%. If you have a craving, eat a square, maybe two, but NOT the entire bar. This works for me, and the dark chocolate has good health benefits. Plus, something like that has sugar, but a square is like 1 gram.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
              The cravings stop when you stop being neurotic. Seriously, do you just listen to any old health "guru" on the internet? "CAFFEINE IS BAD" "SUGAR IS BAD" "CARBS ARE BAD"

              There is a reason your body craves something, it's possibly because sugar is needed in your cells. Seriously, craving a piece of cake, just eat something else with sugar and keep making a habit of that if you really feel so orthorexic that you think an odd piece of cake is going to kill you.

              Despite what mainstream consensus tries to lie about, white sugar isn't a killer. If you look close enough, you'll see that white sugar intake has significantly dropped over the years. You know what has gone up? Fat intake(PUFA). Deductive reasoning.

              This is why I hate this diet. It takes irrational people and makes them even more irrational.
              So Derpamix, if my body craves beer and cigarettes, does that mean I should feed into those cravings? What if it craves heroin and cocaine. Should I listen to my cravings? Saying that you should listen to your body is about the dumbest thing you can do. Will a piece of cake kill anybody? No. But feeding into those cravings little by little will create more cravings, and do all kinds of things that WILL kill you. Ever hear of insulin resistance? Hypertension? Fatty liver? High trigs?

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              • #37
                Get rid of the Naked Juice and the Clif Bar. Whatever nutrients you're getting from them, you can get them elsewhere without all of the added sugar.

                Originally posted by Cyrone View Post
                Thanks Joanie, that was very uplifting. Indeed I still live with my parents for another 6 weeks (before going to grad school) so it's hard to "throw things out" at the moment



                Hm, so you're saying if we have a bit of sugar/grains sporadically throughout the day, we'd crave it naturally later on?

                Breakfast: Omlette w/ veggies OR raw veggies + nut butter or hummus (0 sugar)
                Snack 1: Naked Juice w/ Spirulina (~20g sugar)
                Pre-workout: Clif Bar (30g sugar)
                Lunch: Tuna or chicken w/ mixed veggies + egg + tomato sauce (~3g sugar)
                Snack 2: Almonds/walnuts/cashews/raisins combo (~5g sugar)
                Dinner: Meat + various (eggplant, veggies, broth, spices) (~3g sugar)
                Problem: throughout day, run into Starbucks (get free giftcards so), various events, gum, chocolate, "famous Chicago food"

                So yes, I run into bits and pieces of sugar throughout the average day. It's the "main meals" I've kept sugar free. Also, I do occasionally drink diet soda (1x/week). I envy you for keeping it below 50g/day!
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by primalmedic413 View Post
                  So Derpamix, if my body craves beer and cigarettes, does that mean I should feed into those cravings? What if it craves heroin and cocaine. Should I listen to my cravings? Saying that you should listen to your body is about the dumbest thing you can do. Will a piece of cake kill anybody? No. But feeding into those cravings little by little will create more cravings, and do all kinds of things that WILL kill you. Ever hear of insulin resistance? Hypertension? Fatty liver? High trigs?
                  Ignore him. Derpamix is our resident troll who's young, super tall, super skinny and thinks its ok to eat 300 grams of carbs a day and that the rest of us are crazy for not being able to do the same and stay at a cocaine addict's weight.
                  F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                  "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Damiana View Post
                    Ignore him. Derpamix is our resident troll who's young, super tall, super skinny and thinks its ok to eat 300 grams of carbs a day and that the rest of us are crazy for not being able to do the same and stay at a cocaine addict's weight.
                    I kinda picked up that he's a troll. But I love to engage trolls and slay their nonsense. The problem is, most are too scared to engage in a battle of intelligence, typically because they're unarmed.

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                    • #40
                      i have a question. how empty must ones life be that they need to fill it by spending time on a message board devoted to something they don't like? I never understood the point of "trolling". It doesnt make me angry, just makes me feel a bit of pity for them. Someone must not like themselves too much if they need to go onto a message board and hype themselves up. You eat sugar......yay!!!!!!!!!! you win the internet. Now you can go around feeling like a rock star today with your new internet championship and all.

                      To the topic at hand. Just go to bed. Are the two minutes of pleasure you get from eating that junk worth the guilt you feel after?
                      Better yet, throw the food out. If you are hellbent on eating some sugar, fine, just go out somewhere, have some desert and dont take it home with you. Problem solved.
                      Some people can eat sugary treats in moderation once in awhile and not have it greatly affect their diet. For others, its a slippery slope. You seem like the latter. Throw out the junk food, lose the cliff bar and fruit drinks and go to bed. You cant be hungry or craving food if you aren't awake.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by primalmedic413 View Post
                        So Derpamix, if my body craves beer and cigarettes, does that mean I should feed into those cravings? What if it craves heroin and cocaine. Should I listen to my cravings? Saying that you should listen to your body is about the dumbest thing you can do. Will a piece of cake kill anybody? No. But feeding into those cravings little by little will create more cravings, and do all kinds of things that WILL kill you. Ever hear of insulin resistance? Hypertension? Fatty liver? High trigs?
                        It means you are addicted to drug, that is not the same thing. We are born with with a taste for sugar, breast milk is almost half.

                        Also i feel bad for you if you think listening to your body is about the dumbest thing you can do. Just about the most primal thing you can do is become more aware of your body, trying to seperate body and mind and fight yourself is an exercise in futility.

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                        • #42
                          This topic is borderline an inspiration. Hopefully these replies have helped more people out there who are wondering the same thing.

                          Anyway, I went cold turkey a few times. And every time, I developed migraines after 2-3 days which lasted a couple of days.
                          I initially got migranes/haziness just from cutting out 80% of my carbs! So I guess this means it would work. If you went through the pain, so can I. I don't think I'll ever quit for months on end (I plan to consistently have ice cream, brownies 1x/week) though I have pretty much eliminated wheat. We'll see how it goes.

                          Question: when you go out till 1am, are you out drinking booze? Drinking booze will give you sugar cravings like crazy.
                          Hmm I actually stopped drinking socially (unless it's craft brewery) several months ago. But I do feel that there's something lacking when I come back from being out, perhaps it's the screwed up dinner schedule..
                          And I actually am going through Lindt's dark chocolates now! On 85% ATM but have the 90% waiting in my closet...

                          To the topic at hand. Just go to bed. Are the two minutes of pleasure you get from eating that junk worth the guilt you feel after?
                          Well, in the morning I absolutely do regret it! But again often feel that I cannot sleep without the "happy chemicals" released by the desserts - I guess I could try, but man it feels like shit. Suppose the point of the topic is how long it typically takes to relieve the body of the cravings, so far looks like the average is 2-3 months. yikes
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by primalmedic413 View Post
                            So Derpamix, if my body craves beer and cigarettes, does that mean I should feed into those cravings? What if it craves heroin and cocaine. Should I listen to my cravings? Saying that you should listen to your body is about the dumbest thing you can do. Will a piece of cake kill anybody? No. But feeding into those cravings little by little will create more cravings, and do all kinds of things that WILL kill you. Ever hear of insulin resistance? Hypertension? Fatty liver? High trigs?
                            So your advice would be to do all the die hard stuff the "Paleo Gods" write in their books and on their blogs and ignore everything your body is telling YOU? Believe me, I'm finally coming out of that cave and I feel a lot better for doing so. Sure most advice is for good-will but this is not a religion, you do not have to follow every single recommendation based on somebody else's experience.

                            Listening to your body is the most powerful thing you can do as a human. Saying things like "If I crave heroin" is dumb because you have had to intoxicate yourself with that first in order to get the cravings. Carb haters: There are other sources of carbs than pure refined sugar. It is not a drug. It is not heroin.We were given an abundance of nutrient dense fruit for a reason.

                            Of course giving into cravings is a different story if it has something to do with F****** bacon.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by primalmedic413 View Post
                              So Derpamix, if my body craves beer and cigarettes, does that mean I should feed into those cravings? What if it craves heroin and cocaine. Should I listen to my cravings? Saying that you should listen to your body is about the dumbest thing you can do. Will a piece of cake kill anybody? No. But feeding into those cravings little by little will create more cravings, and do all kinds of things that WILL kill you. Ever hear of insulin resistance? Hypertension? Fatty liver? High trigs?
                              There is value in cravings, because if you look behind them, they inform you that something is missing or not quite right. It's up to you to interpret the meaning behind a wild lust for cake, or various other junk food, and better substitute that with some other substance. As I already said. Though, if you lack the mind for it, as you clearly do, you'll just continue looking at cravings through a pin hole and miss the big picture.

                              "The fact that a taste of chocolate can provoke a wild lust for more chocolate, or that once cigarette renews the addiction, does not mean that the presence of chocolate or nicotine in the blood creates a craving. Rather, it is that an organism in an unstable state perceives the availability of something which promises to partially restore the desired stability."

                              [citation needed] for the rest of that nonsense, as you clearly don't know what you're talking about regarding insulin and probably get all your information from low carb primal blogs.

                              Ignore him. Derpamix is our resident troll who's young, super tall, super skinny and thinks its ok to eat 300 grams of carbs a day and that the rest of us are crazy for not being able to do the same and stay at a cocaine addict's weight.
                              Majority of lean people consume most of their calories from carbs, clearly don't know what you're implying besides desperately trying way too hard to look cool by rehashing a long passed "popular" opinion.

                              No one thinks I'm the resident troll anymore, you're behind the times. I've helped countless people on these forums already from the disastrous effects of low carb paleo.
                              Last edited by Derpamix; 05-22-2013, 07:29 PM.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                                It means you are addicted to drug, that is not the same thing. We are born with with a taste for sugar, breast milk is almost half.

                                Also i feel bad for you if you think listening to your body is about the dumbest thing you can do. Just about the most primal thing you can do is become more aware of your body, trying to seperate body and mind and fight yourself is an exercise in futility.
                                You think a carbohydrate isn't a drug to some degree? Tell me, what are the essential carbohydrates that the body can not make and requires regularly, otherwise we die? Of course we are born with some taste for sugar. The body craves things that are sweet, salty, fatty, because those are where the nutrients that we need are located. However, most (and I stress most but not all) people come from an upbringing where our sensitivity to sweet things are blunted due to being raised on grains, sugar, and more grains and sugar. Think about how much sugar was consumed in the days of Grok. What was it, a few pounds per year? Most people are coming to a healthier lifestyle from 100+ pounds of sugar consumed per year. So again, listening to your cravings are different when they've been severely blunted. I crave a glass of wine occassionally, but that means I could have one glass and not drink another for 3 months. But to an alcoholic, they might have one glass and can only go 10 minutes before they need another one. Are carbohydrates any different? No. Look at somebody coming from the SAD/Western diet. They eat a carb rich breakfast, and 2 hours later they need more carbs. Should they listen to their body and fill up on more carbs? Probably not a good idea. In the meantime, look at somebody who follows a more Primal/Paleo lifestyle. They can eat a small amount, and not crave it again for a long time. Therefore, the only way you can truly listen to and satiate your body's desires is if you're coming from a purely pure standpoint that hasn't been corrupted by the standard garbage that a majority of people have swallowed all of their lives.

                                I'm not saying that we should never listen to our bodies. But to come from the perspective that listening to your body is an ideal path to health is the exact reason why metabolic syndrome and all of the individual parts of it are getting far worse, not better, in society today.

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