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  • #16
    Stabbing in the dark here, but it does sound to me like you have an adrenergic system issue.

    Hypoglycemia symptoms are caused by the massive release of adrenaline brought about by situations where blood glucose dips below 3.3 mmol/L. This is dangerous territory for the brain because it depends upon a concentration gradient of glucose to basically cross the blood brain barrier and provide energy for it. So, when plasma concentrations drop into the danger zone, the brain responds to stave off the impending coma with an adrenaline surge.

    The adrenaline surge is what causes the detectable symptoms of hypoglycemia: the shaking, nausea, palor, increased pulse.

    So far, so good. Unfortunately, for some people that have a condition known as "idiopathic postprandial hypoglycemia" you can get all of the adrenaline symptoms, _without_ the low blood sugar. This is different from postprandial hypoglycemia, because in that condition, there is actual hypoglycemia.

    You need to determine whether your condition is idiopathic, and the way to do that is to measure your blood sugar when you are symptomatic. If it is low, then yes, you are hypoglycemic. If not, then your condition is probably idiopathic.

    Unfortunately, idiopathic is medical terminology for "we haven't the foggiest idea what is going on." Most doctors will tell you to eat more frequently, and if that works, great, otherwise ... oh well.

    You might have some success with beta adrenergic receptor antagonists ( beta blockers ) as some studies indicate that subjects suffering from idiopathic postprandial hypoglycemia had hyper sensitive beta receptors. Interestingly, public speakers and others who need to calm down ( i.e. suppress their adrenaline responses ) for performance purposes use beta blockers to help them do that. You might want to talk to your doctor about that.

    Good luck.

    -PK
    My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

    Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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    • #17
      It sounds like you need one more meal in there. Eat something, Mikee5!!!!

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      • #18
        .......................................cal......fa t ... carb...protein
        Butter 2 tablespoon..........204......23......0....... 0
        Cheese 1oz .....................99.......8.......1.........6
        Cream 2 fl oz....................78.......7.......3........2
        Egg, whole, 4..................252......17......1........22
        green beans 1/2cup......... 41.......2........5........1
        Chicken, breast 8 oz..........234.....9........0........35
        Cucumber large (8")..........34.......0........6........2
        Broccoli 150 g...................51.......1.......10.......4
        totals................................993.... 67.5..26.6...73.1
        your potassium was 43 % of your requirement if you ate as much as i estimate which i doubt.

        ................ you're aiming for 100g fat 50g carbs, 120g protein but are way under

        so what's wrong? -you are already at the lower end of your height for weight( 5'9 130lbs) and are now in ketosis but have very little body fat to utilise.

        so what's really wrong.....you are starving yourself basically and if you don't wise up you will have real problems.
        Last edited by CarbDodger; 05-19-2013, 04:47 AM.
        When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
        27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
        new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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        • #19
          Before you start eating more/less X, Y, and Z on the recommendation of someone on the internet, get your blood sugar levels checked. If they are not low when you experience these symptoms, then you are not having any sort of hypoglycemic episode. It must be something else.

          Meanwhile, start keeping a detailed log of what you eat, when you eat, and when these symptoms occur, and what they were. Your trying to see whether there is a pattern emerging.

          -PK
          My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

          Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by CarbDodger View Post
            .......................................cal......fa t ... carb...protein
            Butter 2 tablespoon..........204......23......0....... 0
            Cheese 1oz .....................99.......8.......1.........6
            Cream 2 fl oz....................78.......7.......3........2
            Egg, whole, 4..................252......17......1........22
            green beans 1/2cup......... 41.......2........5........1
            Chicken, breast 8 oz..........234.....9........0........35
            Cucumber large (8")..........34.......0........6........2
            Broccoli 150 g...................51.......1.......10.......4
            totals................................993.... 67.5..26.6...73.1
            your potassium was 43 % of your requirement if you ate as much as i estimate which i doubt.

            ................ you're aiming for 100g fat 50g carbs, 120g protein but are way under

            so what's wrong? -you are already at the lower end of your height for weight( 5'9 130lbs) and are now in ketosis but have very little body fat to utilise.

            so what's really wrong.....you are starving yourself basically and if you don't wise up you will have real problems.
            I must be missing some context here, as I don't know where those macro ratios are coming from? Are you just computing those based on some assumptions, or did I miss some other thread? Anyway, I'm sure you're trying to help, but the symptoms described sound precisely like some form of hypoglycemia, and not even remotely close to a potassium deficiency (hypokalemia). As an inveterate faster and fairly long term ketogenic dieter, I can tell you that none of these symptoms come from either of those.

            -PK
            My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

            Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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            • #21
              you missed mikees other thread, perhaps you should read it.
              being a sufferer of hypokalaemia myself i know exactly what the symptoms are; muscular weakness, myalgia, and numbness and if you had read the first thread you would know these are symptoms this lad had. He was also drinking copious fluids taking salt supplements and eating no carbs to replenish K. As a diabetic I also know the symptoms of hypoglycaemia and if you think anyone who is hypo can go for a sprint to treat it you are off your rocker. You never feel hungry when you hypo. His blood sugar might be a bit low on arising but if you're not diabetic its not an issue,your liver will release glycogen eventually. I have never understood this preoccupation with low blood sugar of a non diabetic. By the way I never mentioned hypoglycaemia.
              The stats are mikee's and available on the other thread, the aims are also his and it is his food list- this is the improved intake. This is also a man with no weight to lose who is wanting to get healthy
              Last edited by CarbDodger; 05-19-2013, 08:19 AM.
              When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
              27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
              new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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              • #22
                Originally posted by CarbDodger View Post
                you missed mikees other thread, perhaps you should read it.
                being a sufferer of hypokalaemia myself i know exactly what the symptoms are; muscular weakness, myalgia, and numbness and if you had read the first thread you would know these are symptoms this lad had. He was also drinking copious fluids taking salt supplements and eating no carbs to replenish K. As a diabetic I also know the symptoms of hypoglycaemia and if you think anyone who is hypo can go for a sprint to treat it you are off your rocker. You never feel hungry when you hypo. His blood sugar might be a bit low on arising but if you're not diabetic its not an issue,your liver will release glycogen eventually. I have never understood this preoccupation with low blood sugar of a non diabetic. By the way I never mentioned hypoglycaemia.
                The stats are mikee's and available on the other thread, the aims are also his and it is his food list- this is the improved intake. This is also a man with no weight to lose who is wanting to get healthy
                Yes, like I said, I suspected that I missed a thread because the advice being proffered was certainly inconsistent with the information provided in this thread. Thanks for clearing that up. And for the record, I don't think that one can cure true hypoglycemia ( or hypokalemia for that matter ) with a run ... idiopathic postprandial hypoglycemia, which does not relate to actual low blood sugar, is another thing all together.

                -PK
                Last edited by pklopp; 05-19-2013, 06:58 PM.
                My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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                • #23
                  His symptoms sounded like low carb flu to me, or that period after you've adjusted to low carb but have lost all the water weight and haven't replenished your sodium, potassium, magnesium and calcium lost from the water weight. The crash after the initial adjustment.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • #24
                    Sounds like you may be having low cortisol issues. The dizziness upon standing and foggy head are often signs of low cortisol. You can get a blood pressure cuff from the drugstore and test yourself for orthostatic hypotension (a drop in BP upon standing). That is one test or you can do one of the saliva tests for cortisol.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Grumpycakes View Post
                      You are a grown man with a MLP avatar. Just sit by yourself and think about that for a while.
                      And you're an irritable troll. Personally, I'd rather hang out with the My Little Ponies guy.
                      The Champagne of Beards

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                      • #26
                        I mentioned this on another thread but it is really hard to get Iodine in British food as it isn't in many foods, particularly when you cut out processed food and most dairy.

                        I take Iodine supplements for this exact reason and my mental clarity has really improved in the past 2-3 months. Please don't take this as a recommendation as it isn't but this may be something to consider.
                        2010 - 5,11 and 101KG

                        2012 - 5,11 and 77KG

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                        • #27
                          Look up magnesium deficiency symptons. Apparently this is a real issue for many people and something to be taken seriously for those on a Paleo type of diet as the highest concentration of magnesium is in grains. Grok got magnesium from water, but apparently today that is not a good source unless you are drinking mineral waters.
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                          • #28
                            GO SEE A DOCTOR!

                            Seriously, there are lots of things that can be going on with your neurological, gastrointestinal or endocrine system that might be completely out of your control in terms of diet etc.

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                            • #29
                              And you're an irritable troll. Personally, I'd rather hang out with the My Little Ponies guy.
                              Thanks, RichMahogany. And to think that post came from a grown man with an avatar of pancakes.

                              Sugar might not be poison, but it sure isn't biologically necessary speaking in mythological non-food macro terms. But plenty of great, healthy foods have sugar, and you're better off eating them than not, in general. Dark chocolate, berries and molasses all come to mind.

                              Your symptoms are beyond doctors. This is the kind of problem you have to fix by yourself, usually. A doctor will look you over, run general blood chemistries and when that turns up nothing unusual, they might offer you pain pills or crack. Perhaps a decent nutritionist might be in order.
                              Crohn's, doing SCD

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                              • #30
                                I've been on this blog for a while, and it's funny, I can recognize that the posters are giving you advice that worked for THEM. Knifegill can't have sugar or fruit, zach is a safe starch fiend, there's always an iodine cheerleader, everybody says to eat more, etc. It may have worked for them, but it may not for you.

                                BUT, when pklopp writes a post that is shorter than War and Peace, that means that even HE can't identify what it is. That's pretty serious.

                                This sounds like a job for a doctor, nutritionist, and some tests. Even if it's as simple as a salt imbalace, they might be able to identify it. Keep a VERY good diary of what you eat, how much water you're drinking, whether you're taking any supplements, and how this all affects you. They will need something detailed to work with.
                                5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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