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    Ok, this was my lunch: a couple handfuls of green olives, a small big-ass salad, 4 hard-boiled eggs, a couple pickles, a Coke Zero. And I spread guacamole on the eggs. This was grazed on throughout the day.

    The olives & the guacamole are high-fat, I know; I hope the right kind of fat. The salad had the usual lettuce, some turkey, ham, cheese, and creamy ranch dressing. It was a pre-packaged 7/11 salad that said it had 300-something calories. There was very little cheese.

    So the Coke Zero wasn't paleo, of course, but I don't think there was anything in there that would derail my attempt to convince my body to burn fat rather than sugar. Cheese, of course, but there was a paltry amount.

    Any comments or criticism?

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    Coke Zero has aspartame, which while not real sugar, can still cause an insulin response (but that's the least of your worries). Also the ranch dressing is full of industrial seed oils hydrogenated oils and/or HFCS.

    The healthiest part was the eggs and guac.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by EMonger View Post
      Ok, this was my lunch: a couple handfuls of green olives, a small big-ass salad, 4 hard-boiled eggs, a couple pickles, a Coke Zero. And I spread guacamole on the eggs. This was grazed on throughout the day.

      The olives & the guacamole are high-fat, I know; I hope the right kind of fat. The salad had the usual lettuce, some turkey, ham, cheese, and creamy ranch dressing. It was a pre-packaged 7/11 salad that said it had 300-something calories. There was very little cheese.

      So the Coke Zero wasn't paleo, of course, but I don't think there was anything in there that would derail my attempt to convince my body to burn fat rather than sugar. Cheese, of course, but there was a paltry amount.

      Any comments or criticism?
      Your lunch is a total fail. Here's why you lost points:

      A small big-ass salad makes no sense. No points deducted, but had to call it out.

      Coke zero - Gross chemical-laden (and chemical-tasting) junk. Food reward/hyperpalatability fail. -5 points
      7-11 turkey, ham and cheese - are not actually turkey, ham, or cheese. -15 points
      Creamy ranch dressing - rancid PUFA. Worse than gluten for a non-celiac sufferer. -50 points
      You got points for the hard-boiled eggs (although if they were from a local farm rather than 7-11, you'd have received a higher score), the guacamole, and the olives.

      Bad news: You failed. This isn't Atkins. Eat real food.

      The good news: You get a do-over.
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      • #4
        Try avoiding having even sugar-free drinks around meal times. There are many reasons to avoid them ("false sugar" response, too much caffeine at once, artificial additives that can upset your body if you're sensitive...).

        Guacamole is good, as the fat is from avocado. Olives are also amazing for you. Don't fret over cheese. The lactose-fat ratio is typically very balanced, so it SHOULDN'T cause an issue. If it DOES affect your weight-loss, by all means cut down or cut it out, though. It's all about trial-and-error methodology..

        You're doing OK, but try and check the ingredients list for EVERYTHING that isn't just veg or meat. The ranch dressing, for example, may have had added sugar, soya lecthins...etc
        A good trick is actually to pre-cut some leafy greens, hard-boil some eggs and slice some meat at the start of the week and just throw it all together every evening for tomorrow's salad. That was you avoid naughties getting in.

        Grazing is also OK, but some people find it slows their weight-loss. Experiment with grazing vs fasting methods, to see which works best for you. If you're trying to get your body to burn its own fat, going hungry sometimes is actually a brilliant way to kick-start this pattern (despite all that "starvation-mode" bull----).
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        • #5
          The idea of such a salad if home made is good. The fact that you get it from 7-11 is a big mistake.
          Diet coke ? why not simple water ?? I did not grow up in the US or UK so coke as a daily beverage is just alien to me (like everything in it feels bad but that's just me).

          By the way, a small big-ass salad is a "small-ass salad"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            Your lunch is a total fail. Here's why you lost points:

            A small big-ass salad makes no sense. No points deducted, but had to call it out.
            It was small, but big-ass in that it had a lot of everything. That kind of big-ass.
            Coke zero - Gross chemical-laden (and chemical-tasting) junk. Food reward/hyperpalatability fail. -5
            If you've never developed a craving/addiction for soda, you wouldn't understand. Coke Zero keeps me from drinking regular Coke.
            7-11 turkey, ham and cheese - are not actually turkey, ham, or cheese. -15
            You're probably right. But I stopped in there to get hard-boiled eggs and the salad was in the same case, so I tried it. It was pretty good, too. If I get real turkey & ham from the grocery store & cut it up myself, that would make it a pass instead?
            Creamy ranch dressing - rancid PUFA. Worse than gluten for a non-celiac sufferer. -50 points
            I know I need to do something a little different than commercial dressing. What? I really don't see myself eating such a salad with NOTHING on it. I'm sure there are paleo dressings that can be whipped up at home, but the ones I've seen have crazy-ass ingredients that I don't know what they are, don't have, and won't ever have. It's like that commercial for something or other where the guy is making some Chinese meal, asking the kids where mommy keeps the lau zhou zhon.
            You got points for the hard-boiled eggs (although if they were from a local farm rather than 7-11, you'd have received a higher score), the guacamole, and the olives.
            The pickles were good too, right? I have to eat something besides eggs with guacamole.
            Bad news: You failed. This isn't Atkins. Eat real food.
            I thought I was. What's the difference between what I'm doing and Atkins? Both say carbs sucketh, and though the salad dressing needs to go....what else?
            Last edited by EMonger; 05-15-2013, 06:58 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dkJames View Post
              The idea of such a salad if home made is good. The fact that you get it from 7-11 is a big mistake.
              Diet coke ? why not simple water ?? I did not grow up in the US or UK so coke as a daily beverage is just alien to me (like everything in it feels bad but that's just me).

              By the way, a small big-ass salad is a "small-ass salad"
              Big-ass as in lots of stuff added to it, usually ham, turkey, tomatoes, cheese, etc. In the US, that's a big-ass salad.

              When the weather gets hotter, I'll crave more water. Last summer, when it was above 100 every day in July and I was working outside on day shift, I drank water all day. Escaping that horrendous heat is why I changed to nights. But overall, I drink soda. Can't imagine it otherwise. Plain water gets boring quick.

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              • #8
                I'd give you a B for effort and a D for execution. Just take everything you ate and ramp it up and make it the best you can make it. Instead of buying a salad at 7/11, get organic fresh produce at the market and make it yourself. Instead of packaged salad dressing, make your own with good oils and condiments. Instead of diet coke, if you aren't ready for plain water, make green tea and ice it and add some raw honey to it. Think good fats, good food. Not quick, convenient, already packaged food.

                Just...rethink the word food. Make it nourishing and healing. As you continue to eat well, what often happens is you start to automatically reject the lesser quality to gravitate towards better choices.

                Originally posted by EMonger View Post
                But overall, I drink soda. Can't imagine it otherwise. Plain water gets boring quick.
                Maybe try seltzer water with some cold tea or a lime or some honey in it as a transitional fizzy drink, if you can't go cold turkey. Honestly, diet coke is just crap. I think actual regular coke is less harmful than diet.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  Your lunch is a total fail. Here's why you lost points:

                  A small big-ass salad makes no sense. No points deducted, but had to call it out.

                  Coke zero - Gross chemical-laden (and chemical-tasting) junk. Food reward/hyperpalatability fail. -5 points
                  7-11 turkey, ham and cheese - are not actually turkey, ham, or cheese. -15 points
                  Creamy ranch dressing - rancid PUFA. Worse than gluten for a non-celiac sufferer. -50 points
                  You got points for the hard-boiled eggs (although if they were from a local farm rather than 7-11, you'd have received a higher score), the guacamole, and the olives.

                  Bad news: You failed. This isn't Atkins. Eat real food.

                  The good news: You get a do-over.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EMonger View Post
                    What's the difference between what I'm doing and Atkins? Both say carbs sucketh
                    no. they don't. eating real food DOES NOT EQUAL eating low carb. this isn't a trademarked, pre-packaged lifestyle. eat real food. don't drink soda. saying you are addicted is a crutch. don't buy it. end of discussion. salad dressing. hmmm.. oil and vinegar, some spices, a little Dijon to emulsify. whisk. done. what fancy ingredients?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                      no. they don't. eating real food DOES NOT EQUAL eating low carb. this isn't a trademarked, pre-packaged lifestyle. eat real food. don't drink soda. saying you are addicted is a crutch. don't buy it. end of discussion. salad dressing. hmmm.. oil and vinegar, some spices, a little Dijon to emulsify. whisk. done. what fancy ingredients?
                      Nailed it.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EMonger View Post
                        If you've never developed a craving/addiction for soda, you wouldn't understand.

                        You're probably right. But

                        I'm sure there are paleo dressings that can be whipped up at home, but the ones I've seen have crazy-ass ingredients that I don't know what they are, don't have, and won't ever have.
                        Lots of 'buts' and such. Hey, you asked people to grade you.

                        Originally posted by EMonger View Post
                        I thought I was. What's the difference between what I'm doing and Atkins? Both say carbs sucketh,
                        No they don't, but they do say grains sucketh. Or Primal/paleo does anyway, not familiar with Atkins, but this isn't an Atkins site. Grains are carbs and grains sucketh, but not all carbs are grains. Carbs don't necessarily sucketh.

                        Inb4 what's good carbs: Veg, fruit, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, rice sometimes but depends what you believe in, blah blah etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                          no. they don't. eating real food DOES NOT EQUAL eating low carb. this isn't a trademarked, pre-packaged lifestyle. eat real food. don't drink soda. saying you are addicted is a crutch. don't buy it. end of discussion. salad dressing. hmmm.. oil and vinegar, some spices, a little Dijon to emulsify. whisk. done. what fancy ingredients?
                          I do want to eat real food, and the more of it I eat, the less crap I want. Hence the eggs, olives, pickles, etc. It's just a challenge eating right as a truck driver. But I haven't had a McDonalds craving for a long time, or even a Taco Bell craving, though my Chipotle craving still rages.
                          But aren't I right in saying that primal eating avoids carbs--generally? Eliminate grains and anything processed, and eat meat, vegetables, fruit, and drink water or tea, right? I saw a paleo-revised food pyramid that was shaped like a dinner plate. One half said "meat" and the other was labeled "vegetables." I had no meat in my lunch, other than the meat in the salad, which was likely full of preservatives, and the rest was vegetables and eggs, other than the Coke Zero & dressing.
                          Oh, yeah, took a spicy V8, but forgot to drink it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by EMonger View Post
                            If you've never developed a craving/addiction for soda, you wouldn't understand. Coke Zero keeps me from drinking regular Coke...

                            I know I need to do something a little different than commercial dressing. What? I really don't see myself eating such a salad with NOTHING on it. I'm sure there are paleo dressings that can be whipped up at home, but the ones I've seen have crazy-ass ingredients that I don't know what they are, don't have, and won't ever have. It's like that commercial for something or other where the guy is making some Chinese meal, asking the kids where mommy keeps the lau zhou zhon...

                            What's the difference between what I'm doing and Atkins? Both say carbs sucketh, and though the salad dressing needs to go....what else?
                            I don't really understand why you post a thread asking others to critique your lunch, which you already know it not the best thing you could have eaten, then defend your actions and choices.

                            A craving/addiction for soda can quite easily be overcome; it's mind over matter. Make the decision that it's garbage and find something else. I second the recommend for soda with lemon or unsweetened tea - you can find herbal, fruity tasting teas that are just fine without sweetener. And regular Coke would totally be better for you than Diet Coke, until you start drinking four a day.

                            Why not eat such a salad with nothing on it? With all that turkey, ham, cheese, olives, pickles, etc, there's plenty of flavour there. Again, it's a mindset that lettuce leaves need to be drenched in sauce. Besides, you had guacamole, too...get some guac on your fork, then stab salad, and eat. As for homemade salad dressings with 'crazy-ass ingredients' - olive oil, vinegar, herbs and spices. Doesn't sound crazy-ass to me.

                            There is no difference in what you're doing and Atkins - Atkins has no problems with a diet filled of unnatural ingredients, preservatives and frankenfoods. If that's what you're aiming for, carry on. But since you're on a paleo forum, I'm guessing you're trying to eat more primally. Which means real food. Single ingredient food. Paleo/primal diets do not 'say carbs sucketh' - I'm tucking into some breakfast right now that includes roasted potato hash browns. Paleo/primal diets say shitty seed oils, grains, unnecessary sugars and frankenfoods...sucketh.

                            If you have access to a grocery store to scrounge up some lunch you'll be far better off, although putting a lunch together at home and carrying it with you is ideal. Yep, it's a shitload more work but if you want to make this work, you get to suck it up. If 7-11 is your only option, take a harder look. There's fresh fruit and veg in that same case where your salad and eggs came from. You can find tins of tuna in one of the aisles. If you *have to* have something to drink that's not plain water, go for some no sugar added fruit juice or milk. And then stop at the grocery on the way home and pick up some real food to bring to work with you the next day.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Nivanthe View Post
                              Lots of 'buts' and such. Hey, you asked people to grade you.


                              No they don't, but they do say grains sucketh. Or Primal/paleo does anyway, not familiar with Atkins, but this isn't an Atkins site. Grains are carbs and grains sucketh, but not all carbs are grains. Carbs don't necessarily sucketh.

                              Inb4 what's good carbs: Veg, fruit, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, rice sometimes but depends what you believe in, blah blah etc.
                              Regular potatoes? I've read that they're on the "sucketh" list, and that rice, while not good, is only minimally bad. For someone trying to lose weight, shouldn't rice be avoided?

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