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  • Accidentally glutened at weekend, feel so ill. Anything I can do?

    To speed up my recovery, I mean.

    Am taking loratadine during day and can have Piriton at night but not during day as it makes me drowsy. Am eating very very clean, drinking green tea and resting as much as I can but previous glutenings have shown me that this can go on for a very long time and I am so so miserable!

    I won't be making that particular mistake again.
    Last edited by freerangepiglings; 05-15-2013, 02:52 AM.

  • #2
    Unfortunately no. You have to wait it out. Sorry. Just drink plenty of fluids and eat when you feel able again.

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    • #3
      Do you have gluten intolerance or some other sort of digestive problem? Sorry to hear you don't feel well.
      I'm a weak man...If I give myself a few feet of leeway, I burst through all of my prohibitions.

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      • #4
        I try to fast as long as I can after a meal that makes me feel like crap. Especially if it's something like gluten that you need to get out of your system. This fast can be as long or short as you need based on hunger levels, but your body needs to get rid of the crap to feel better and fasting is extremely useful for that.

        Without competing food sources, your body can concentrate completely on elimination and detoxing the bad stuff.
        "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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        • #5
          I find that a small daily quantity of a bio yoghurt (2 - 3 tbpsns) can help a lot for me - it doesn't seem to speed up that horrible feeling, but it does "mellow" it a bit, which might make it more bearable?

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          • #6
            Thank you both. Am on laptop now as opposed to phone so can type better (well, as well as the brain fog allows!).

            I don't know. I have EDS type 3 aka Hypermobility syndrome, which predisposes people to gastric issues and damaged guts. I always thought I just had a wheat allergy but that I could tolerate spelt, barley and rye (I probably do have a wheat allergy but there is obviously more going on) because when eating grains my symptoms were not as bad avoiding wheat, even though I ate spelt etc.

            When I went fully primal but had several accidental grain episodes, I realised that the biggest for my EDSflare ups was any form of grain - and that it was not just wheat that made me ill, but that spelt, barley and rye had the same effects. So although I possibly do have a wheat allergy (some symptoms are very instant), it seems I have some other issue to. I don't know whether it is gluten snesitivity or celiac. I don't know how I could ever find out because I can't countenance the thought of eating gluten at meals twice a day for six weeks which is necessary before being tested for celiac!

            So whether it is an intolerance, and allergy or celiac I don't know. But that gluten is the devil incarnate and I don't ever want it to cross my lips again I do know!

            Symptoms are:

            Immediate: tight throat, mucus/postnasal drip.
            Short term: foul temper, brain fog, shakiness, photo-phobia, heartburn, indigestion, post-nasal drip, muscle inflammation, headaches and joint pain.
            Longer term (eg 6-48 hrs) - alternating constipation and diarrhoea, wind, painful bowel spasms. Sometimes itching and urticaria type rashes, eczema.

            The heartburn and indigestion pass first (they are easing now - it was Saturday morning that I was glutened), but everything else continues for days if not weeks.

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            • #7
              It is quite possible to have both a wheat allergy and gluten intolerance. Looking at your symptoms, I would guess that's what you've got, both.

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              • #8
                Cross-posted - I should have said thank you all, not thank you both!

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                • #9
                  Drink green tea to help flush the toxins out of the body, lots and lots of water and eat really clean.

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                  • #10
                    Definitely sounds like an allergy as well as an intolerance to me. It might be worth seeing if you can get a skin pin-prick test done - my daughter had one done a couple of months ago and tested allergic to wheat and corn. Other grains are fine for her - although the rest of the family are either coeliac or non-coeliac gluten intolerant! So you might well get away without having to do a gluten tolerance test. If you were to mention the hives, post-nasal drip and the throat tightening to your GP, they should refer you to an allergy clinic fairly quickly.

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                    • #11
                      Activated charcoal works great for mopping up toxins from your system. I always keep a bottle around!

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                      • #12
                        I just received an email with the full ingredients declaration from the butcher who supplied me with the offending item. Yesterday on the phone he had told me he thought there was wheat and barley in the list, but in fact I have just received it and the only grain (and only thing I could have reacted to in it) was oats. The allergen information says "contains gluten" but in practice, as it is only oats in the ingredients list, this probably only means the oats were not certified gluten free and may have been contaminated with traces.

                        For me this means that either I react to oats as well as all the gluten containing grains (which I didn't previously think was the case although I haven't had them for months so admittedly I never had a clear picture before Primal and now I do), or that I react to incredibly tiny quantities of gluten.

                        I think it probably also means I may need to consider the possibility that I might actually be coeliac, which is something I have been a bit head in the sand about. I know some people with coeliac react to all oats (and to the gluten-like protein in them) but that others can have the certified gluten free oats without problems.

                        Would a gluten intolerance (not coeliac) be so bad that I could react to the tiniest trace of possibly contaminated oats in a powder mix in a butcher's item (we are talking minute traces here)? Or is it more likely that is is coeliac? Or an allergy, ie an oat allergy? Is there such a thing as an oat allergy? I have never heard of oats as being an allergen.

                        I am still reeling a little from this information tbh.

                        Coeliac UK's website is very insistent that if there is a suspicion of coeliac then it is vital to get a diagnosis and that it is so important that you should eat gluten twice a day for six weeks in order to be able to go through testing. Is it really this important? Could I not just avoid gluten religiously and keep an eye out for other possible complications? I can't bear the thought of eating all that gluten and being so ill.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by freerangepiglings View Post
                          Coeliac UK's website is very insistent that if there is a suspicion of coeliac then it is vital to get a diagnosis and that it is so important that you should eat gluten twice a day for six weeks in order to be able to go through testing. Is it really this important? Could I not just avoid gluten religiously and keep an eye out for other possible complications? I can't bear the thought of eating all that gluten and being so ill.
                          As I understand it, yes, it is possible to be so intolerant to both gluten and prolamines (the proline-containing proteins in oats and other cereals) that people will react to very, very small amounts. Some people find that they can heal their guts enough to be able to eat these things in small amounts after a long period of excluding them completely, allowing the gut to heal, but many don't. For one of the tests for coeliac, a large amount of permanent damage to the villi is necessary for the test to come up as positive. Some G.I doctors think that asking coeliacs to eat enough grains to test positive for celiac is malpractise, because of the damage done to the guts of coeliacs from eating them.

                          TL: DR Avoiding all grains as far as possible, and allowing your gut to heal is probably your best option.

                          Is there any particular reason you need a diagnosis?

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                          • #14
                            I love the use of gluten as a verb. Appropriating.

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                            • #15
                              I think of myself as non-celiac gluten intolerant, though I have never been tested. So for all I know, at that point when I stopped eating gluten so many years ago, an endoscopic biopsy might have tested positive. I couldn't have afforded the test though.

                              I react the same for gluten-free oats as wheat.

                              The treatment is the same whether it is celiac or non-celiac gluten intolerance. It makes sense to do a biopsy for someone who is currently eating gluten. It makes sense to do it on their siblings, parents, or children, even though they may not be experiencing symptoms, because a high percentage of celiacs are asymptomatic. But it makes no sense to take someone who has already been gluten-free for an extended period of time and make them sick in order to diagnose that they are sick.

                              Even properly conducted biopsies may have results that are false negative. Not all are properly conducted, either.

                              That biopsy protocol is a relic from the time when if the biopsy showed negative, patients who reacted to gluten were told they didn't have celiac, so shouild keep eating gluten.

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