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    Two Brave Men Who Ate Nothing But Meat for an Entire Year

    According to that website, they did a study where 2 people were fed solely meat for a year and they came out healthier than they came in. They report no health issues at all, no worse, physically and mentally. All they ate was meat during that year, no fish. This is very intriguing to me. But how can it be? Afaik not even paleo/primal people argue for this as a healthy way of life. Shouldn't they have all kinds of issues from lack of vitamins and minerals from veggies? They did eat a large variety of meat.

    What do you think? Is it a hoax or possible?

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    Paleobird's Adventures in Carnivorousness

    Start on page one and read through the whole thread. Lots of excellent anecdotes and links to useful websites on the subject. I read through the whole thing last week. Well worth it. Paleobird is an indispensable fount of meaty knowledge and experience.
    I'm a weak man...If I give myself a few feet of leeway, I burst through all of my prohibitions.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ajm422 View Post
      Paleobird's Adventures in Carnivorousness

      Start on page one and read through the whole thread. Lots of excellent anecdotes and links to useful websites on the subject. I read through the whole thing last week. Well worth it. Paleobird is an indispensable fount of meaty knowledge and experience.
      Thanks for the link, will start reading it tonight
      *Sara*

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ajm422 View Post
        Paleobird's Adventures in Carnivorousness

        Start on page one and read through the whole thread. Lots of excellent anecdotes and links to useful websites on the subject. I read through the whole thing last week. Well worth it. Paleobird is an indispensable fount of meaty knowledge and experience.
        Awwwwwww. That is the nicest compliment ever.

        To the OP, if I can answer any questions, I would be happy to help.

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        • #5
          Thank you for the help and comments. I've made a post in your thread PB. It's a new eye opener(!), since I found the paleo/primal world a few years ago. But I find it difficult to understand how we can live without the nutrients in veggies (1). This diet niche truly leaves all conventional wisdom about nutrition a smoldering pile of ash in its wake.

          (1) I doubt that the anti-nutrients you mentioned as a reason for this are so incredibly potent though. If only for the fact that there are many other diets that heavily rely on veggies for nutrition. It also feels strange to think that we'd get all those nutrients we normally get from veggies from the meat, processed by the animals. You'd think that this would be a well known fact since meat (and all other foods) have been under a lot of laboratory scrutiny for nutritional value. Production of the nutrients in our bodies probably has a significant role too. Though between production in our own bodies and extraction from meat it suddenly doesn't sound so far fetched. It's not really a question since I already know it works. It just screws with my mind, having thought I really need veggies all my life.
          Last edited by s0meguy; 05-13-2013, 01:45 PM.

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          • #6
            The trick is that it's not lean meat. Most of the calories in the diet come from fat.
            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

            Griff's cholesterol primer
            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
            bloodorchid is always right

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            • #7
              this:Mathieu Lalonde, PhD
              is a very interesting AHS presentation about nutrient density you might find helpful.

              Antinutrients are not as powerful in our modern day produce as they would have been in a paleolithic salad bar. We have basically bred them to be tame and sweeter and more nutrient dense (but they still can't hold a candle to animal products). Pre-agricultural produce would have been so nutrient poor and antinutrient heavy that it would hardly have been worth the time and effort to collect unless it was as a stopgap measure when the hunting was not going well.

              Then there is the whole issue of bioavailability of the nutrients. Spinach may look good on paper but by the time the oxalates bind up other nutrients in your diet, you really aren't getting the full nutritional bang for the buck.

              Magic is right that this is not just lean muscle meats. It needs to be nose to tail eating including fat, marrow, offal, bone broth, etc.

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              • #8
                Check out the nutrition in 8 ounces of oysters, a dozen eggs and a half-pound of liver. If you keep plugging in other organ meats (goat liver will surprise you!) it doesn't take long to see that you don't technically need to eat plants at all. BUT - don't forget that cats eat grass and the stomach contents of their prey, wolves eat berries, etc.
                Crohn's, doing SCD

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                  Check out the nutrition in 8 ounces of oysters, a dozen eggs and a half-pound of liver. If you keep plugging in other organ meats (goat liver will surprise you!) it doesn't take long to see that you don't technically need to eat plants at all. BUT - don't forget that cats eat grass and the stomach contents of their prey, wolves eat berries, etc.
                  The moral of this story is that, if you are consuming a good variety of animal products you can eat plant products that you actually like as opposed to feeling that you are "supposed to" eat them.
                  I like mushrooms and bell peppers and berries, etc.

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                  • #10
                    Explains how we survive winter.

                    Additionally, excess fat soluble vitamins get stored in your body fat. If you start shedding that, you reacquire those vitamins.

                    Paleobird: Not so sure about all pre-ag non-meats being bad. I've found a few wild things around here that were tasty. Not fully disagreeing with you, though. We have had a tendency to make things sweeter as time's gone on. Try wild carrot sometime - you might call it "Queen Anne's Lace". At least, we do here.

                    Thank you for the video, though, going to watch that when I catch some time.

                    M.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
                      Explains how we survive winter.

                      Additionally, excess fat soluble vitamins get stored in your body fat. If you start shedding that, you reacquire those vitamins.

                      Paleobird: Not so sure about all pre-ag non-meats being bad. I've found a few wild things around here that were tasty. Not fully disagreeing with you, though. We have had a tendency to make things sweeter as time's gone on. Try wild carrot sometime - you might call it "Queen Anne's Lace". At least, we do here.
                      I was thinking of things like wild broccoli which is just a fibrous bushy thing. The top part that we call the florets is almost non-existant in it. Also wild lettuce is a spiky fibrous thing. I think plant storage organs (roots and tubers) such as your wild carrots were probably a larger part of the paleolithic diet than anything green. They are much more nutrient dense.

                      Also fruit but that would only have been seasonally and/or regionally available.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                        I was thinking of things like wild broccoli which is just a fibrous bushy thing. The top part that we call the florets is almost non-existant in it. Also wild lettuce is a spiky fibrous thing. I think plant storage organs (roots and tubers) such as your wild carrots were probably a larger part of the paleolithic diet than anything green. They are much more nutrient dense.

                        Also fruit but that would only have been seasonally and/or regionally available.
                        You will have to qualify "wild broccoli" for me; what my googling has found is rather inconsistent. Understand your meaning, though. I looked up wild lettuce. That's apparently the thing I've called "tall weed" all my life. Solves that mystery. There's a bunch sprouting all over the place here, might have to try and chew on some and see what that's like. Also, you can apparently smoke it for a high. Huh.

                        Looks like this: http://massnrc.org/pests/pestFAQshee...ld_Lettuce.jpg

                        I don't know about wild carrots per se (it's like biting into a block of wood in my experience, but it had already bolted so maybe that was the problem), but I'm inclined to agree that starchy bits probably contributed a good deal to the diet. They're simply more massive and more efficient to gather. Like meat - animals are (generally) more massive and nutrient dense (fat!) than anything else you can gather easily. That said, greens are probably a good part of the diet as well. Tubers are also seasonally available. There's a bunch of things in "greens" that aren't in tubers and roots. Coincidentally, a lot of roots/tubers come attached to leafy things...two for one deal!

                        What surprises me is that we're not tree-leaf eaters (for the most part). Or maybe we are, and we just don't (except I eat tea leaves). If you've ever seen "Quest for Fire", there's a scene that uses tree-leaf eating as a show for human omnivorous capacity as a means of survival.

                        I wonder how many flowers are supposed to be edible. Those puffy purple flowers that look kind of like thistle around here were something I'd eat as a kid.

                        Which reminds me, I need to start a thread regarding wild plant IDing.

                        M.

                        EDIT: Added a picture, off to go research things.
                        Last edited by MEversbergII; 05-16-2013, 09:21 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
                          What surprises me is that we're not tree-leaf eaters (for the most part). Or maybe we are, and we just don't (except I eat tea leaves). If you've ever seen "Quest for Fire", there's a scene that uses tree-leaf eating as a show for human omnivorous capacity as a means of survival.
                          Tree leaves are tough and fibrous. The nutrition in them is low, and it would require a huge amount of consumption and a digestive system that could extract that nutrition from the cellulose.

                          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                          Also fruit but that would only have been seasonally and/or regionally available.
                          That's what I used to think. And while it is true for those of us in temperate climates, in Africa where our ancestors evolved, fruit is available year round. Denise Minger did a post on wild and ancient fruit that changed my mind.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                            Tree leaves are tough and fibrous. The nutrition in them is low, and it would require a huge amount of consumption and a digestive system that could extract that nutrition from the cellulose.[Like a gorilla hindgut]

                            That's what I used to think. And while it is true for those of us in temperate climates, in Africa where our ancestors evolved, fruit is available year round. Denise Minger did a post on wild and ancient fruit that changed my mind.
                            What denise says is true of that area but most of us were not in that area for most of our evolution once we came down out of the trees (as J Stanton puts it). The other thing that Nora Gedgaudas points out in Primal Body Primal Mind is that, while much of the world was undergoing ice ages, the equatorial regions would have been ravaged by drought leaving even warmer climates scarce on plant life.

                            This is an interesting piece about many of out modern day produce favorites. So many of the things we think of as veggies are human inventions.
                            The First Broccoli: Where Does Broccoli Come From? | A Moment of Science - Indiana Public Media
                            Last edited by Paleobird; 05-16-2013, 12:44 PM.

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                            • #15
                              I'd like to get a list of "natural" greens we can eat. Might give us some more data to connect with our past.

                              M.

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