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  • #16
    Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
    The S.O. and I used to frequent Starbucks, but haven't in more than a year now. I didn't even cash in that free whatever on my birthday last month. If it's primal you're after, black coffee or some tea is as close as you are going to get. If coffee's what you seek, you may as well just go to any other chain or local joint.

    M.
    I agree. I live in an area where I have some AMAZING coffee joints that serve up their single origin, organic espressos and beans anyway, 100x better than anything Starbucks could offer. I get it black, always ask for it as hot as they can manage. No need for me to frequent the 'bucks even though there are a ton right near me.
    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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    • #17
      I frequent Starbuck's, but usually just get an Americano with heavy whipping cream. If I'm wanting a non-primal sweet, I'll get it with sugar free syrup. If I want to go completely wild I'll get it with regular syrup or sugar, lol.
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      • #18
        Look, I have nothing against Starbucks or MacDonald's, really. I go to Starbucks from time to time. I don't really go to MacDonald's anymore, but I used to. I am a big fan of the Filet-O-Fish--eating one fills me with orgasmic bliss. It really does, as disgusting as it sounds. But I choose not to eat those things anymore.

        I don't think that they are immoral--they respond to consumer demands, and consumers demand these unhealthy things. I just told you that the Filet-O-Fish fills me with orgasmic bliss; now, if all I cared about was how the food tasted, I'd eat it all the time. I think that people have to take responsibility for their bad choices. The information is out there, and it's not that hard to find/access. People choose to ignore it, and you can't blame businesses for catering to people's poor choices.

        I don't know. Obviously, if you had to eat at MacDonald's, some items would be better choices than others. (The Filet-O-Fish, unfortunately, would not really be a good choice at all.) But I think, if you had to eat out, there are better places to eat than MacDonald's. Even among fast food restaurants, MacDonald's is probably not the best choice from a primal perspective.

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        • #19
          There is a Starbucks at one of the grocery stores where I shop. I occasionally get a vanilla latte - for some reason, I just like the taste of their vanilla, or a regular latte there especially if I go there after a run in the local park. They are my recovery drinks. I occasionally get an Americano or an iced coffee there, too. We really don't have any local coffee shops near where I live other than Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts. I prefer the Starbucks.

          I don't like any of their dark roast coffees; however, I don't care for dark roast anyway. I do like their Veranda blonde blend. I get my beans from Coffeeam.com. They have a coffee of the month club where you get 2 lbs of beans once a month. It's usually a dark roast and a medium/light roast. I buy the Starbucks blonde to mix with the dark roast to lighten it up.

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          • #20
            Upside to Starbucks: Variety in beverage. That's probably one of their biggest sources of success. That, and having sold themselves as a Status Symbol in the 90's.

            That said, at my local one there are a lot of obviously broke people who frequent the place. And my S.O. and I were most regular when we were most broke.

            Anyways, the point about variety is that if I go to Dunkin' or Doughnut Connection (closest coffee place to me and right on the bike ride to work), my coffee choices are pretty limited. What's "standard" coffee in the U.S., anyways? Columbia roast?

            M.

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            • #21
              Every day at ten-ish, one of my coworkers and I make the sojourn to the local Starbucks where I get a sugar free vanilla breve latte.

              Could I be enjoying a healthier breakfast than this? Probably. Would I have better results if I quit my latte habit? Most likely. Would I miss the welcome break from the screen and the chance to chat with my coworker and the baristas? Most definitely.

              I can admit to a SBUX addiction. Nothing wrong with it. Nope.
              "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."-Winston Churchill

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              • #22
                Try a vente green tea, hot.

                M.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by sthubbar View Post
                  Am I really the only one here that hangs out with "normal" people and spends time in Starbucks, and *gasp* fast food restaurants and would appreciate some general recommendations of what items are grok preferential in these establishments?
                  A good test -- would you be better off health-wise to just to go hungry rather than put something on their menu in your mouth?

                  Starbucks, 95% of their items serve no nutritional purpose. And I'm a Seattle native, love Starbucks, but it's trash.

                  * Espresso or Americano - yes, just plain caffine.
                  * Latte - no, they don't have raw milk and the fat barista will give you a hard time if you ask for a heavy cream latte, many stores don't even have heavy cream, or won't let you have it. No coconut milk.
                  * Fancy drinks - no, all sugar bombs, or soy crap, or low-fat-skim crap, no bonus to you from putting that into your body.
                  * Baked goods section - NO WAY, a huge array of options you can eat to gain diabetes and obesity -- sugar, carbs, sugar, carbs, sugar...

                  When I end up there with friends it's dopio con panna.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                    It is kind of sad that you can't always find basic, nutritious food. I mean, I look at my dinner the other night. Grilled chicken, asparagus and a sweet potato with butter. It can't be more basic food, easy to prepare, tastes good. Why the hell can't places just not put soy oil on everything???? It's not like we are raw macrobiotic vegans. We eat meats and vegetables.
                    Exactly.

                    In the United States though, there really aren't any mom and pop restaurants left. Just big chains and maybe a few small one-offs, all trying to maximize profit and be famous, NOT trying to provide a simple healthy meal to feed the masses. It's about low quality, large plate size, high flavor, wow factor, and "don't blame us when you get cancer, it was your choice to eat here".

                    Fast food doesn't need to be total trash -- a person could start a place that served cheapo frozen Costco salmon plus carrots, fried in a pan with grass-fed butter, 500 calories, $5. Why not? But such a place I've never encountered in the states. Asia has cheap and healthy, so it is possible.

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                    • #25
                      I don't drink coffee so I hasn't really been to a Starbucks. My fast food of choice I'd, Moe's or Chipolte. Both have grass fed need and guacamole.

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                      • #26
                        I think anyone who has gotten this far already knows that fast "food" is generally pretty awful in terms of health, sustainability, morality, etc. So all education on the evils of fast food aside, if I for whatever reason find myself dining out, I simply try to make reasonable paleo/primal choices. You know what's primal and what's not. So just do what you can to make the best choices based on your own priorities. Or not. A couple weeks ago I had a bacon cheeseburger with onion rings and ranch dressing and a diet coke from a small family owned diner. It was a rare treat where I didn't make the slightest attempt to be paleo or primal. And I didn't feel guilty about it one bit.

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                        • #27
                          As a Starbucks employee, I can list what Starbucks serves thats primal;

                          Espresso
                          Black coffee
                          Tea
                          Heavy Cream (you know, if that's your thing)
                          Kerrygold brand butter (you will get strange looks if you ask for it in your coffee, but you can get it free)

                          Now as far as I know, that's it. No food, that's for sure.

                          I drink a tall hot coffee in the mornings, and if I need a pick me up, then I have an iced grande unsweetened half black/ half green no water tea. The black tea curbs cortisol, and green gives loads of antioxidants. And I sure as heck stay away from the foods.

                          As for restaurants, it's not "cool" to like fast food restaurants (even if its for wrong reasons), so find some small coffee shop, bar, or music venue to counter suggest when your friends get some McCravings for a Fourthmeal.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                            A good test -- would you be better off health-wise to just to go hungry rather than put something on their menu in your mouth?

                            Starbucks, 95% of their items serve no nutritional purpose. And I'm a Seattle native, love Starbucks, but it's trash.

                            * Espresso or Americano - yes, just plain caffine.
                            * Latte - no, they don't have raw milk and the fat barista will give you a hard time if you ask for a heavy cream latte, many stores don't even have heavy cream, or won't let you have it. No coconut milk.
                            Re: no raw milk. Don't care. Raw milk is illegal in my State and too hard to find anyway and I can't see one or two lattes a week as a complete health destroyer.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Lynna View Post
                              Re: no raw milk. Don't care. Raw milk is illegal in my State and too hard to find anyway and I can't see one or two lattes a week as a complete health destroyer.
                              Originally posted by Wikipedia
                              The standard US protocol for flash pasteurization of milk, 71.7 C for 15 seconds, was introduced in 1933, and results in five log (99.999%) or greater reduction in harmful bacteria.
                              When milk is heated to put it into a drink, it is brought up at least to pasteurization temperatures and held there for much longer than during dairy pasteurization. It is no longer raw.

                              Flash pasteurization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Lynna View Post
                                Re: no raw milk. Don't care. Raw milk is illegal in my State and too hard to find anyway and I can't see one or two lattes a week as a complete health destroyer.
                                Right, that's why I phrased it "am I actually better off after eating this?".

                                It may not destroy health, but it doesn't add anything either, so personally I just don't.

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