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  • #16
    Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
    how about some stats about yourself? sex/age/height/weight/approx bodyfat/goals/activity level? then we could give you some pointers that would help you, instead of generic canned responses
    OK, I am a 44 year old Male 5'10" tall I weight 201lbs, pretty muscled build, big legs, kinda thick chest, arms about 17/18" and according to my BF scale about 20%. Activity level; I would consider myself pretty active. I own a construct company and I work with the guys. Right now we are framing so that's a very physical part. I do have my days in the office as well. I would like to see myself around the 12% BF range. But I want to keep/build my muscle. Let's hear it!!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Rookie44 View Post
      OK, I am a 44 year old Male 5'10" tall I weight 201lbs, pretty muscled build, big legs, kinda thick chest, arms about 17/18" and according to my BF scale about 20%. Activity level; I would consider myself pretty active. I own a construct company and I work with the guys. Right now we are framing so that's a very physical part. I do have my days in the office as well. I would like to see myself around the 12% BF range. But I want to keep/build my muscle. Let's hear it!!
      sounds like you're really active between work and working out. maybe even too active. if your looking for some serious muscle and strength development, i'd suggest an actual weight training plan like starting strength, WSFSB, etc. P90x is great for what it is, but you won't make any serious gains with that type of training.

      as for diet, you may actually be undereating for what you're doing. and remember, this isn't a low carb diet, so fruit/potatoes, etc are not the enemy. particularly if you are relatively fit and active. the other option is that you could be overeating. paleo isn't a free pass to stuff your face and still think that you'll lose fat. calories do and always will matter. i'm not suggesting that you are stuffing your face, simply saying that even a few hundred extra calories a day can and will stop your weight loss.

      a paleo diet will most certainly improve your overall health. and it will get you darn close to where you want to be physically. but a lot of us want to go beyond that and look great too. once you get to that level (and it sounds like you're pretty close) minor tweaks need to be made to drop those last few vanity lbs. calorie cycling. carb cycling. changes to workout plans.

      i'd say rice and rice noodles are ok. i eat rice almost every day. paleo bread is not. stay away from "products" in general, whether or not they say "paleo" on the package

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      • #18
        Mark says there is a scale of harmfulness of grains. Wheat, rye, barley, etc. have lots of junk to mess up your system. They are the worst.

        At the other end of the scale, white rice is just a bunch of carbs. It is fine when you need lots of carbs, e.g. if you are a lumberjack.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hedonist2 View Post
          Mark says there is a scale of harmfulness of grains. Wheat, rye, barley, etc. have lots of junk to mess up your system. They are the worst.

          At the other end of the scale, white rice is just a bunch of carbs. It is fine when you need lots of carbs, e.g. if you are a lumberjack.
          Haha! OK, Rice and or Rice noodles would be an occasional treat. I pack my lunches everyday so I'm trying to figure out how to make a Paleo approved sandwich. Maybe Bread made with Coconut flour? The Almond Flour stuff I tried was simply awful! I don't have to have a sandwich but it just makes things easier and I like them. What about Coffee, Black with Agave' sweetener? That should be fine. Right? I've cut down from sweeten creamer to milk to now Black with Agave'. Thoughts? I also enjoy a drink a couple times a week. I drink Dirty Martini's. Straight Vodka with three Olives and olive juice. I know, I know..... Alcohol is bad but this drink has to be as pure as you can get. Correct?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
            sounds like you're really active between work and working out. maybe even too active. if your looking for some serious muscle and strength development, i'd suggest an actual weight training plan like starting strength, WSFSB, etc. P90x is great for what it is, but you won't make any serious gains with that type of training.

            as for diet, you may actually be undereating for what you're doing. and remember, this isn't a low carb diet, so fruit/potatoes, etc are not the enemy. particularly if you are relatively fit and active. the other option is that you could be overeating. paleo isn't a free pass to stuff your face and still think that you'll lose fat. calories do and always will matter. i'm not suggesting that you are stuffing your face, simply saying that even a few hundred extra calories a day can and will stop your weight loss.

            a paleo diet will most certainly improve your overall health. and it will get you darn close to where you want to be physically. but a lot of us want to go beyond that and look great too. once you get to that level (and it sounds like you're pretty close) minor tweaks need to be made to drop those last few vanity lbs. calorie cycling. carb cycling. changes to workout plans.

            i'd say rice and rice noodles are ok. i eat rice almost every day. paleo bread is not. stay away from "products" in general, whether or not they say "paleo" on the package
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            • #21
              If you want noodles, add shirataki noodles, the ones that are only konjak root, not tofu. You can indulge in them as much as you want. A cup of them is like 20 cals and 4 g of fibre & taste just like rice noodles.
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              • #22
                OK, first off the "effortless weightloss" is a joke.

                If your clothes are hanging off you with no scale change, congrats, you are losing fat while gaining muscle which is the actual goal. If that's the case, what you are doing is working.

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                • #23
                  Also.... I dunno, I think paleo breads etc. aren't the worst way to add some calories. I don't eat them because I don't have the ability to eat a lot of calories and still lose weight. Same with rice.

                  Mostly you just need to experiment and see what works for you. From your stats... I'd anticipate that you are headed to the "harder to lose" fat part of body weight. (maybe not for guys...). You may really need to clean up your diet at some point. I know for me, my diet is constantly cycling between strict and notsostrict. I weigh myself every day. The problem is that when you change up your workout, the scale lies. I started Crossfit a month or so ago. No weightloss. I was mad until I put on a dress that fit great in March and it was way too big through the torso yesterday. OK... inches off the waist=fat loss.

                  On the energy, honestly, you sound like you work hard and I'd expect to be tired at the end of a day doing construction and P90X. If you think it might be food related and not activity related, try a Whole30 where you cut out all dairy, grains, sugar etc.

                  If I were you, I'd say you were on the right track, I'd try and find some alternatives to paleo bread for your lunch and I'd keep at it and reassess in a couple of months. And I'd make my assessment looking at myself naked in a mirror, maybe step on the scale out of curiosity.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Rookie44 View Post
                    I haven't really gotten to the point of counting grams of anything. I read in the blueprint that you could eat as much as you wanted on the right foods.
                    Yes, but disagree this is a good plan for newbies who want to lose fat ASAP and learn how their body works.

                    Count everything to the gram at first and be aware how many grams of carbs and protein you are eating. Do 100% not 80/20 rule. Keep carbs low, something like 30 to 80 absolute max, all from vegi, zero fruit, zero sugar. Drop calories somewhere below maintenance level.

                    You'll lose fat.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                      Yes, but disagree this is a good plan for newbies who want to lose fat ASAP and learn how their body works.

                      Count everything to the gram at first and be aware how many grams of carbs and protein you are eating. Do 100% not 80/20 rule. Keep carbs low, something like 30 to 80 absolute max, all from vegi, zero fruit, zero sugar. Drop calories somewhere below maintenance level.



                      You'll lose fat.
                      This is getting complicated....... But, I'll do it. I love my morning coffee as well and I read on this forum that people are saying heavy cream is OK. Can I get some views on that? I've cut out cream in my coffee and wouldn't mine putting it back in. But I don't have to. I can't drink it black tho. So, I sweeten with Organic Agave'. Thoughts?

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                      • #26
                        I use an app called "Paleo Central" by Nerd Fitness. It costs a couple bucks, but you can type in any food, and you get a yes/no/ gray area for every food you type in.

                        Like if you type in "Brown Rice" you get a thumbs down, and a brief explanation that while it is a grain, there are worse grains you could eat.

                        It has been helpful to me.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Danimal23 View Post
                          I use an app called "Paleo Central" by Nerd Fitness. It costs a couple bucks, but you can type in any food, and you get a yes/no/ gray area for every food you type in.

                          Like if you type in "Brown Rice" you get a thumbs down, and a brief explanation that while it is a grain, there are worse grains you could eat.

                          It has been helpful to me.
                          Nice tip! I'll look for it in my app store. Thanks!

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                          • #28
                            Hi there, I'm pretty new as well, but I'll share a couple thoughts.

                            First, with the coffee - I love a cup or two in the morning too. :-) Heavy creamer is absolutely fine if you don't have a problem with dairy. I use to drink coffee with that "fake" flavored creamer stuff, but I have switched to organic half in half (half whole milk and half cream is all it says on the label, nothing else in there) and a pinch of sugar. I would absolutely stay away from Agave though. Agave is (not really sure how to state this) more sugar dense then even sugar, so if will spike your insulin way higher then you want. Natural does not always mean good, and that is the case for Agave. You are better off with cream and a pinch or two of sugar if you still want a little sweetness.

                            Paleo bread - I make all different kinds of bread and muffins out of almond meal and coconut flour. We don't have weight issues in our house though, so we can handle a little bit more carbs (lots of growing kids and I'm pregnant). I have found a couple of excellent bread recipes what use mostly almond flour, some flax seed, and then just a couple tablespoons of honey to sweeten it. I would say there is nothing wrong with a slice of that or even two, slathered in butter each day. That's just my preference though. If you are trying to lose weight, then maybe just a slice here and there as a treat.

                            For lunch I make my husband a "wrap" that he LOVES in place of a sandwich. Very easy to do...

                            1 Tablespoon coconut oil
                            1 Tablespoon water
                            1 egg
                            Blend/beat all of that together
                            Add 3 Tablespoons of flaxseed with a pinch of baking powder in it.
                            stir it all together and then pour it out and smooth it around in a greased pie plate (glass one).
                            Put it in the microwave for 2-3 minutes on high until set.
                            After it cools (about 5-10 minutes), take a spatula and flip it out onto a plate to cool another minute or two.
                            And there you have it, a wrap!

                            You can then put whatever you want on it. I put a "Real" mayo on it, some mustard. Then a little cheese, tomato, and a couple romaine lettuce leaves. Finally I add a little leftover cooked chicken. Roll it up as best I can and wrap in foil and it's all set for my husband to have for lunch. He typically eats it in his truck in between jobs (he installs internet). He loves them.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Rookie44 View Post
                              This is getting complicated....... But, I'll do it. I love my morning coffee as well and I read on this forum that people are saying heavy cream is OK. Can I get some views on that? I've cut out cream in my coffee and wouldn't mine putting it back in. But I don't have to. I can't drink it black tho. So, I sweeten with Organic Agave'. Thoughts?
                              cream should be ok if you tolerate dairy well. i'd stay away from agave. maybe go for raw honey, or even just plain white sugar. if you're eating clean, a tsp or 2 of sugar in your morning coffee certainly isn't the end of the world. i'm pretty sure that mark has even said that he puts sugar in his coffee every morning

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by pollo_la View Post
                                For lunch I make my husband a "wrap" that he LOVES in place of a sandwich. Very easy to do...

                                1 Tablespoon coconut oil
                                1 Tablespoon water
                                1 egg
                                Blend/beat all of that together
                                Add 3 Tablespoons of flaxseed with a pinch of baking powder in it.
                                stir it all together and then pour it out and smooth it around in a greased pie plate (glass one).
                                Put it in the microwave for 2-3 minutes on high until set.
                                After it cools (about 5-10 minutes), take a spatula and flip it out onto a plate to cool another minute or two.
                                And there you have it, a wrap!
                                For coconut oil, you use liquid? I have a solid that liquifies on the stove.

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