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    I am personally following a primal diet, but I got in a bit of a heated debate with a vegan the other day. Both of us agreed that every cell in the body can make its own cholesterol, because cholesterol is so absolutely vital to the human body. But then she said that if every cell has the ability to make its own cholesterol, then why should we eat additional foods with cholesterol in them? She said that the body's ability to produce its own cholesterol is yet another reason for choosing veganism. She said that she is totally healthy because her body already produces all the cholesterol that it needs on its own, so there is absolutely no need at all for her to ingest more cholesterol. Her logic seems to make sense, since the body can produce its own cholesterol. Thoughts?

  • #2
    You don't need to consume cholesterol. But the highest quality cholesterol is manufactured in your body from saturated fat. Her PUFA cholesterol quality just sucks.

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    • #3
      If you want to have a productive argument, go find someone who believes the earth is flat and located at the center of the universe. This one's a lost cause. Because vegans' brains don't work. Because of the lack of cholesterol in their diets.
      The Champagne of Beards

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      • #4
        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
        You don't need to consume cholesterol. But the highest quality cholesterol is manufactured in your body from saturated fat. Her PUFA cholesterol quality just sucks.
        +1

        Ask her what building blocks her body is using to build her cholestrol from. Vegans are fine in the short term because their body can cannibalise itself.
        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

        Griff's cholesterol primer
        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
        bloodorchid is always right

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
          Because vegans' brains don't work. Because of the lack of cholesterol in their diets.
          Their brains dry up.

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          • #6
            Well, the so called 'cholesterol' we eat is not cholesterol. It actually transports cholesterol, although it can be used to assess cholesterol levels. But since they don't eat the stuff they need to manufacture cholesterol, they will be eating those words later.

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            • #7
              Thanks so much for this great information. This makes perfect sense!!

              Funny, I just finished reading the excellent book entitled "The Great Cholesterol Con" (actually, there are 2 books of the same name... I read the one from the author who lives in the UK), and he talks extensively about how the brain absolutely does "dry up" (so to speak) if you don't get enough cholesterol!!

              He also blows the lid off other cholesterol myths too, such as the fact that cholesterol really doesn't have anything to do with heart disease (neither high nor low cholesterol), but that "high" cholesterol is absolutely important & vital for optimal health in almost all other regards... ESPECIALLY brain function.

              High cholesterol = good health!
              Last edited by scotty321; 05-08-2013, 03:47 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Baconoholic View Post
                Well, the so called 'cholesterol' we eat is not cholesterol. It actually transports cholesterol, although it can be used to assess cholesterol levels. But since they don't eat the stuff they need to manufacture cholesterol, they will be eating those words later.
                This is backwards. The cholesterol we eat is cholesterol. What violates the endothelium leading to atherosclerotic lesions is not cholesterol, but a type of lipoprotein (oxidized LDL, to be precise) that transports cholesterol. I think you're confusing this with the difference between esterified cholesterol and unesterified cholesterol (the type we eat vs. the type in our bloodstream, both legitimately cholesterol).
                The Champagne of Beards

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                  But the highest quality cholesterol is manufactured in your body from saturated fat.
                  That's not true. Cholesterol Synthesis

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                    That's not true. Cholesterol Synthesis
                    From your link:
                    Extensive clinical trials have shown that the statin drugs decrease blood cholesterol and diminish risk of cardiovascular disease.
                    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                    Griff's cholesterol primer
                    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                    bloodorchid is always right

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
                      That's not true. Cholesterol Synthesis
                      So what you are saying is what? I have a degree in chemistry but this reference is meaningless to me.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                        So what you are saying is what? I have a degree in chemistry but this reference is meaningless to me.
                        You do? I didn't see saturated fat in that explanation of cholesterol synthesis at all. Maybe you can enlighten me, what with your degree in chemistry and all.

                        To answer your question more specifically, what I was saying was the statement "But the highest quality cholesterol is manufactured in your body from saturated fat" is not true. I thought I made that clear. Also, could you explain the difference between high and low quality cholesterol?
                        Last edited by Timthetaco; 05-08-2013, 07:17 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                          From your link:
                          So?

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                          • #14
                            Although I'm not clever enough to understand how you think the link you posted rebuts what eKatherine said, I'm pretty sure that the bit endorsing statins is wrong. And your pugnacious stance makes me less likely to regard you as a credible poster in the future.
                            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                            Griff's cholesterol primer
                            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                            bloodorchid is always right

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                            • #15
                              Just the 30 + steps involved in synthesis is a good enough reason to eat some,
                              why waste energy making it when it's easier to eat some.

                              And eat some fat to to stimulate liver bile flow and cholesterol recycling process.
                              "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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