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    Hello Everybody,

    I have been vegetarian for 7 years and since being introduced to the paleo diet through a friend a few months ago I have been experimenting with it - incorporating some of the principles into my current diet as best as I can. I have cut out cereals, processed food and dairy and increased my intake of good quality veggie protein (mainly peanut butter, organic eggs, lentils and soya milk/yoghurt - I know the last two arent strictly paleo but I feel okay with that compromise) I did some calculations on my diet recently and found out that I am falling short of the amino acid methionine and the only ways I can see to fix that is to increase my egg intake from 6 a week to 30 or to include some fish/meat.

    I am trying to find out how these two options compare in terms of nutrition. I thought eating that many eggs could cause problems - there is a lot of evidence on the internet that you can eat as many eggs as you like though I'm not quite convinced - doesn't feel right. Also it seems there are certain nutrients e.g. Vitamin B12 that are only in meat in sufficient quantities and if I stuck to relying on eggs I could risk falling short.

    I am trying to weigh up the two options and not getting anywhere really - so would really appreciate some advice to help me settle this on

    Thanks,

    Paul
    Last edited by Paleopal; 05-08-2013, 07:54 AM.

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    Find a balance between them. I have about 2-4 eggs a day, and this is after 6 months of being egg intolerant. When I say egg intolerant, I mean it felt like a war was being waged in my body for around 5-8 hours, after just 1 egg!
    Back to the balance thing, have a couple eggs for breakfast, and throw one or two in shake (raw of course). For dinner, have some wild salmon or shrimp. Also, if you haven't already, read up on Chris Masterjohn's research..really awesome stuff! Welcome to the community man, and good luck on your journey!

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    • #3
      Why would you remove dairy and add in soy?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Paleopal View Post
        I thought eating that many eggs could cause problems - there is a lot of evidence on the internet that you can eat as many eggs as you like though I'm not quite convinced - doesn't feel right.
        It takes some time for some people to finally shake the conventional wisdom fallacies. It's so ingrained and indoctrinated into you that you keep second guessing true eveidence that's right in front of you. There's nothing wrong with that, it's a natural cycle that takes longer for some than others. You'll get there and then look back and just shake your head in disbelief of how deep you were in that trap.

        As far as eggs or fish - there shouldn't be an "or". Mix it up as much as possible to get variety, don't focus on one thing and consume it to death.

        Side note: You do realize that peanut butter is not primal/paleo at all, don't you?
        "It's true, you are a good woman. Then again, you may be the antichrist."

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        • #5
          Make a salmon omelet with extra egg yolks. Thank me later.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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          • #6
            Eat some fish eggs!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zach View Post
              Why would you remove dairy and add in soy?
              Dairy is full of stuff intended for calves - it never sounded like a good idea to me. Soy may not be perfect but it sounds a lot more normal than dairy to me

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ilovesteak View Post

                As far as eggs or fish - there shouldn't be an "or". Mix it up as much as possible to get variety, don't focus on one thing and consume it to death.

                Side note: You do realize that peanut butter is not primal/paleo at all, don't you?
                I felt that eating a mixture of eggs and fish would be better than lots of eggs and wanted to explore the nutrition of that - What I am trying to understand what would be the benefits pf each option - If I ate lots of eggs but no fish/meat what sort of things would be missing out on.

                Re: Peanut Butter - I know a fair amount of my diet isnt completely paleo/primal but I am happy with it as it gives me a lot of my protein needs from plant sources. I have done some research and found I might be missing out on things so I'm looking into it. If it is true that I do have to stop being vegetarian I will eat as much meat/fish as I need to.

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                • #9
                  Hmm this is where I'm going to disagree with you. Today's soy is much more unnatural than it used to be. Soy also inhibits testosterone production, as it raises estrogen levels. Especially in men. Dairy, if grass-fed and ideally raw, is such a nutritious food. The only thing you have to determine is if you can tolerate grass-fed, unadulterated dairy. Dairy also contains cholesterol, which is a precursor to testosterone and HGH. Vitamin A, D, K2, saturated fat, cholesterol, calcium and protein vs what in soy?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ilovesteak View Post
                    As far as eggs or fish - there shouldn't be an "or".
                    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    Make a salmon omelet with extra egg yolks.
                    Co-sign. Eggs and seafood will be at the top of most nutrition-density lists so excluding either would be a shame. They aren't just protein.
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                    • #11
                      *If you can tolerate dairy, more likely than not, your lineage evolved to not only tolerate it, but benefit from it at any age.
                      As far as the OR question goes, you're better off with just eggs. They provide far more nutrients than fish. Sure you get the Omega-3s from fish, but I'm not aware of it containing the plethora of other nutrients. Also, as a middle-aged adult, Omega Fatty Acids are less vital, some argue (Chris Masterjohn). Of course, lifestyle is going to dictate what is vital to you.

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                      • #12
                        PS, I may be one of the few who advocate eggs over fish, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ClarkKent078603 View Post
                          PS, I may be one of the few who advocate eggs over fish, so take what I say with a grain of salt.
                          It is good to hear both sides - I started to err towards the fish option due to things like vitamin B12 which is much higher in meat/fish - it seemed like it might be hard to hit the RDA amounts with the eggs

                          Also Re: soy - i was thinking of other alternatives such as almond milk to be safe - soya was a stop gap as I wanted to get off dairy

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                          • #14
                            I think the main problem with consuming lots of eggs is that you may develop a sensitivity to them. I did, gave up egg whites, and eat only egg yolks now. I eat a lot of them with no issue.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paleopal View Post
                              Also Re: soy - i was thinking of other alternatives such as almond milk to be safe - soya was a stop gap as I wanted to get off dairy
                              Here's an article about soy you should read. You being a former vegetarian who's been worhipping at the soy altar (no offense) might first have a hard time accepting this at face value. But have an open mind, give it some time and let it sink in. You'll thank me later.
                              "It's true, you are a good woman. Then again, you may be the antichrist."

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