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  • #31
    Ok so from this GutSense website it seems like the fermentation of veggies is BAD because it kills off bacteria - meaning that if I want to fix my gut bacteria (which I do), then I need to avoid foods that ferment in my tummy - like broccoli. Right!? Sounds legit to me!
    Started eating Primal in October 2011.
    Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
    Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
    [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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    • #32
      Originally posted by tomi View Post
      if you want broccoli at its finest - cut it into little bite sized peices - spread it evenly in a baking pan - the dark ones, not glass - pour some olive oil over it - put in a 375 degree oven for 30 minutes -- when you see black crispies appearing its done! YUMMY!
      This recipe works even better for cauliflower.
      5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by egrok View Post
        I'm going to try a new plan: eating only vegetables that have seeds except for mushrooms, spinach and kale because I seem to tolerate those, limit fruit to 1 serving a day. Otherwise eat LOTS OF MEAT AND FISH! I've got some liver marinating in lemon juice right now
        The fun thing about veggies with seeds is that those are really fruits (things like tomatoes, cucumbers, avocados).

        These are the non-animal products I still eat:

        sea "veggies" (algae not really veggies)
        coconut products (fruit and high in MCT fat)
        avocados (also high in fat and generally delicious)
        onions and garlic (bulbs used for flavor)
        mushrooms (fungi not veggies)
        tomatoes (really fruit)
        occasional eggplant (also a fruit. I like baba ghanoush.)
        lettuce when wrapped around a burger
        occasional rice when out for sushi
        occasional berries
        and of course spices galore

        Originally posted by egrok View Post
        Also I'm reading the gutsense website right now (is this the one you meant? Gut Sense: Restoring Natural Bowel Movements)
        Yes. There is some good info there.

        Originally posted by egrok View Post
        Ok so from this GutSense website it seems like the fermentation of veggies is BAD because it kills off bacteria - meaning that if I want to fix my gut bacteria (which I do), then I need to avoid foods that ferment in my tummy - like broccoli. Right!? Sounds legit to me!
        Right. If you have a robustly functioning digestive system, a bit of broccoli probably wouldn't hang around your stomach long enough to ferment. But that is obviously not the case for you.

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        • #34
          I have had problems with "transit time" (constipation) and bloating for the past ~8 months. I tried the gutsense recommendation of buffered Vitamin C powder (his Hydro-C product, but I bought it elsewhere for cheaper) and it does help move things along, but I wasn't processing the food very much.

          The solution for me was to eat more starches. I eat white rice with lunch (also apple and banana), sweet potato after dinner, regular potatoes with dinner, and I'm thinking adding starch to breakfast (eggs) too because I'm often hungry before it's time to eat. My eating style is more in line with that of the Perfect Health Diet (google it), but that basically means a high-starch version of paleo.

          I have no real scientific basis for it, but supplementing colostrum worked pretty well for me, it was just too pricey. Threelac, a strong probiotic supplement, is working for me right now along with the starches. My doctor is recommending that I now try the Threelac, Inositol (a form of B vitamin that helps with serotonin absorption, good for gut motility and mood, and I struggle with depression), and colostrum. I may also start taking a digestive enzyme to see if that helps with the occasional bloating I still get.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
            I have had problems with "transit time" (constipation) and bloating.
            The solution for me was to eat more starches.
            I have no real scientific basis for it, but supplementing colostrum worked pretty well for me, it was just too pricey.
            Interesting how different we all are. Starches have the exact opposite effect on me. Plugged up for days.

            I've never tried colostrum. Have you read about the Free The Animal guy's milk intervention experiment?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
              I have had problems with "transit time" (constipation) and bloating for the past ~8 months. I tried the gutsense recommendation of buffered Vitamin C powder (his Hydro-C product, but I bought it elsewhere for cheaper) and it does help move things along, but I wasn't processing the food very much.

              The solution for me was to eat more starches. I eat white rice with lunch (also apple and banana), sweet potato after dinner, regular potatoes with dinner, and I'm thinking adding starch to breakfast (eggs) too because I'm often hungry before it's time to eat. My eating style is more in line with that of the Perfect Health Diet (google it), but that basically means a high-starch version of paleo.
              I've been taking Vit C 5x a day to fight off an upper respiratory infection the past week and also pooped the last 3 days in a row. Coincidence? I've also been super low carb and reintroducing probiotic foods. It's so hard to pinpoint what the magic trick is when life gets in the way!

              I was eating white rice, apples, bananas and sweet potatoes for the past 3 months fairly regularly, 1-3 of those foods once a day, and it had no effect on my regularity. You're lucky you found such a quick solution!

              I read the Perfect Health Diet already and recommend it to my friends haha.
              Started eating Primal in October 2011.
              Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
              Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
              [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                sea "veggies" (algae not really veggies)
                coconut products (fruit and high in MCT fat)
                avocados (also high in fat and generally delicious)
                onions and garlic (bulbs used for flavor)
                mushrooms (fungi not veggies)
                tomatoes (really fruit)
                occasional eggplant (also a fruit. I like baba ghanoush.)
                lettuce when wrapped around a burger
                occasional rice when out for sushi
                occasional berries
                and of course spices galore
                This is exactly what I plan on eating plus the seeded fruits/veggies. Also kale, because I love kale chips, but no longer will I force down the spinach if I don't want it!!

                Also I'm not sure where to get sea veggies. Wegman's doesn't seem to have algae but they do have seaweed snacks. Where do you get algae?
                Started eating Primal in October 2011.
                Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
                Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
                [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by egrok View Post
                  This is exactly what I plan on eating plus the seeded fruits/veggies. Also kale, because I love kale chips, but no longer will I force down the spinach if I don't want it!!

                  Also I'm not sure where to get sea veggies. Wegman's doesn't seem to have algae but they do have seaweed snacks. Where do you get algae?
                  Netrition.com has Sea Tangle brand Kelp noodles and SeaSnax which are crispy seasoned nori sheets. The ones at my local asian stores all has MSSG or were made with nasty oils. The Seasnax are olive oil only.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    Netrition.com has Sea Tangle brand Kelp noodles and SeaSnax which are crispy seasoned nori sheets. The ones at my local asian stores all has MSSG or were made with nasty oils. The Seasnax are olive oil only.
                    Wegman's sells seasnax! Great thanks for the help and wish me luck
                    Started eating Primal in October 2011.
                    Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
                    Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
                    [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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                    • #40
                      I also love broccoli any way I can get it and prefer it raw if it's my home grown. I often steam 'till soft and put my eggs over them. I can eat it by the pound in a single sitting with no gastro effects. Potatoes need butter way before broccoli ever does but broccoli swimming in butter is fine with me too.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by egrok View Post
                        So I saw a Beano commercial and being the curious little paleo scientist I am, decided to research it. It's a digestive enzyme (alpha galactose) to help us break down certain complex carbs like broccoli.

                        I have a few questions about this: they say that while the undigested broccoli particles are fermenting in your intestines, bacteria are feeding off of it - are these good or bad bacteria?

                        If certain humans are unable to digest this complex-carbs - then should we really be eating them? If one needs to take a supplement to digest this food, doesn't that indicate it's not compatible with the human digestive track?

                        These are the things I think about instead of studying for final exams. I would love to hear your thoughts. I have been in a vicious war with my digestive track to reduce (foul smelling) gas and reducing bloating would be nice too, and so far my stint with the Candida diet has helped the smell, but some broccoli today made me look pregnant....

                        But if the consensus is that we should eat bloating-foods anyways, I will continue to include them (before bed)
                        I am eating more veggies than many Paleo/Primal people because I am following "The Wahls Protocol" for an auto-immune issue. The protocol calls for 3 cups (measured before cooking) EACH (per day, not per meal) of leafy greens, coloured vegetables and SULPHUR-containing vegetables. You guessed it... very gassy and gives me that... warm feeling. :-P

                        I've been trying to find a way of dealing with this and the reason why I ended up here is because I just googled (paleo AND beano)

                        Back in the day when I ate lots of beans I had tried beano a few times and never really felt that it did anything to reduce flatulence... nada... nothin'... zilch.

                        The author of The Wahls Protocol, Dr. Terry Wahls, figures that it just comes with the territory... (or is that Terrytory?)

                        APPARENTLY, over time, and as long as you don't do anything to kill the flora, you achieve some lessening of the issue. I don't know if I believe that, because I had eaten a lot of beans, broccoli and cabbage way back when and it never disappeared then so why would it now?

                        So... what I'm wondering is, did paleolithic peoples fart a lot (depending on the regional foods) and it was simply the normal, natural state of things? When you get right down to it... we all enjoy our own farts, right?? ummmm RIGHT????? ;-P

                        BTW... I had gone lower veggies, higher carna previously and I never could acclimatize to it and was always constipated, eating more fat or eating "closer to the bone" or drinking more water... nothing helped that at all except eating more veggies! :-)

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                        • #42
                          I'm not really sure how much you are eating because the cup measurement throws me a bit. But it is possible that your gut flora are not prepared for such quantities. If I were you I would cut back and build up gradually, and also include sources of resistant starch (green banana, cooked and cooled potatoes, properly prepared beans, etc) along with probiotic foods like kefir and sauerkraut. You might also consider soil based probiotic supplements.

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                          • #43
                            I took Beano exactly once. Because I was going on a first date with someone, and we were going to have Mexican food.

                            Well, I didn't fart. Make that, I couldn't fart. But I felt so bloated, I thought I was going to float to the ceiling. I have never, before or after that experience, felt that bloated. I'm sure it's an n=1 thing, but I threw that bottle away, and never purchased another.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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