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  • #16
    Man now I want some of that cheesecake...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
      I don't consider cheesecake necessarily to be a cheat. The ingredients are pretty good when a cheesecake is homemade--eggs and cream are main ingredients. You can avoid the crust if it has wheat in it and if you make your own you can make a better crust using nuts and dates.

      There's some pretty darn good vegan cheesecake I eat often from a company called Earth Cafe. Main ingredients are cashews and coconut and the crust is usually pecans and dates. I'd consider this a dessert or a treat or heck once in a while I consider it lunch.

      I think it's important to get away from the "cheat/punishment" cycle that we women are so good at. That's why I think if you enjoy a piece of cheesecake you do not need to then punish yourself the next day with starvation and deprivation. Just resume you healthy primal eating and don't eat if you aren't hungry.
      It was Sara Lee, and a whopping 490 calories per slice. It tasted heavenly It was a dessert at my in-laws, so not something I keep in the house. I'm realizing that I eat pretty primal during the week but then the weekends, especially Sunday, trip me up. Something to work on!
      *Sara*

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      • #18
        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
        I don't consider cheesecake necessarily to be a cheat. The ingredients are pretty good when a cheesecake is homemade--eggs and cream are main ingredients. You can avoid the crust if it has wheat in it and if you make your own you can make a better crust using nuts and dates.
        You can make a crustless cheesecake, too.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by SeaHorse View Post
          What do you people find so attarctive in those cheat days? Eating shit? Feeling "good" afterwards? Why do you even do that?
          Grumpy mood today, sorry, but I really don't understand.
          Unless you're truly Grok and live in a cave, there's those times where you simply have to deal with social situations and eat the damn food. And sometimes you want to appreciate the taste combinations that the modern world has brought us and eat the cheesecake. Pretty sure the rest of don't live in caves, either, and sometimes I just want to eat what I want.
          For me, a good fast after a cheat day is a nice way to give my body a break and detox. It can vary in length, just until I truly feel hungry again. Then I get right back on track with Primal eating.

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          • #20
            I don't live in a cave, I have friends, colleagues, social occasions, etc. I don't think a cheesecake, especially with fresh strawberries and crust left on plate could be called a "cheat DAY" . The same goes for wine and dark chocolate. Eat them and enjoy, look up the lists Mark has made, those are pretty ok foods.
            French cruasant on the other side - no. Do you have friends who don't respect your choices and don't care for your health? If you say to a real friend that you can't eat something because it makes you feel bad, they will feel ofended? If so, they are selfish egiosts, not friends, you could find better.
            Having a whole cheat day seems as sensible as having a "hitting my head agaist the wall day". We who come from CW were led to believe CW was ok way to eat and live but now when we know what exactly made us feel bad and have health problems, why return? To please others? They will forget within minutes that you took the "food", within a day that you refused it. On a big social occasion nobody will even notice what and how much you did or did not eat. They have their own interests closer to heart.

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            • #21
              Yesterday, there was a small celebration at work. The dept manager bought some quite nasty cakes which only had strawberries as a redeeming ingredient. Everybody rushed to have some of it. I let all my colleagues have some before I made a move. When I came toward the cakes, i saw there was none left So that fixed the dilemma (not that there was a strong one in the first place, I was about to take a small piece anyway).

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              • #22
                SeaHorse, not everyone understands the science of primal/paleo jets or even WANTS to understand it. That doesn't make them bad people or poor friends.

                It does make it hard for them to understand why you might be trying to avoid certain foods.

                For example, I have a friend who made chili with kidney beans in it the other day. He spent something like eight hours simmering it, soaking beans overnight, chopping veggies, etc, etc. He is a non-primal eater for sure and I've tried explaining it to him, but he could care less I've learned.

                I know from experience that kidney beans do NOT agree with me, but I was faced with only two options. 1) do an impromptu IF which says to my friend that I find his choice and polite offering of free food and the effort he went to to make it all unsatisfactory to me, or 2) being the bigger person and just eating it. I chose the latter because it avoided any sort of hurt feelings and/or confrontations with my friend as a result. Yes, I paid for it in unwanted ways, but by avoiding hurt feelings and having my friend think the wrong things about me such as how ungrateful I might have seemed, I think that in the end, I still came out ahead.

                Situations like these occur. Sometimes we have to make exceptions with our food choices to avoid other conflicts that can be even worse. Social situations can do this to us and we kind of have to roll with the punches.
                "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                • #23
                  French cruasant on the other side - no. Do you have friends who don't respect your choices and don't care for your health? If you say to a real friend that you can't eat something because it makes you feel bad, they will feel ofended? If so, they are selfish egiosts, not friends, you could find better.
                  My very sweet coworker is unaware that I eat differently than 99% of the population. The croissant was delish. Considering I used to eat grains 3 times a day, the occasional grain item is no big deal to me. It doesn't make me sick. I might get some bloat. The croissant came from a french bakery, with real butter and dark chocolate. Now, I don't have huge gluten allergies. I actually enjoyed the croissant. It tasted amazing.

                  I've seen SO MANY fad diets and trends. I'll say primal is no fad.... but realize that a lot of the "no" foods, in small quantities, won't kill you. They may derail weightloss and if you have a sensitivity could make you ill. A day off your diet is really no big deal in the scheme of things. Like I said, no, I'm not taking a day off for McD and pizza hut. But I may well have non-primal really good food on special occasions. I control my health, and I don't think that eating non-clean 5% or 10% of the time is a big deal.

                  Wanna know what makes me very sick and fucks me up? Every one's favorite red wine. A glass will bloat me for days and make me ill and headachey, even good wines without sulfites. I will turn down wine every time. That and shrimp.

                  http://maggiesfeast.wordpress.com/
                  Check out my blog. Hope to share lots of great recipes and ideas!

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                  • #24
                    As I grew up in France, I indulged in croissants like you wouldn't know ... I have been croissants-free for 8 months ... next time I visit my family in France, it will be interesting to see how tempted I will feel. In Denmark, the croissants are just not worth it. Being wheat free in DK is really not a challenge ... in France, it would be different (most bakers where I used to live know me ...).

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                    • #25
                      The croissants we get are insane. You can taste the butter, flakey, fresh and they use callebaut dark chocolate. They are actually my favorite splurge as they are not too sweet. I actually think the ratio of flour to butter is somewhat favorable as they don't trigger any reaction- headache, sugar cravings etc. for me. It's funny to watch people freak out about the butter in the croissants as they eat muffins the size of my head.

                      In general, for me, being wheat free these days is not a challenge. Most of it isn't very good. But the french bakers make the very best use of wheat... good luck in France lol!

                      http://maggiesfeast.wordpress.com/
                      Check out my blog. Hope to share lots of great recipes and ideas!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                        good luck in France lol!
                        Merci

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by purple579 View Post
                          Unless you're truly Grok and live in a cave, there's those times where you simply have to deal with social situations and eat the damn food. And sometimes you want to appreciate the taste combinations that the modern world has brought us and eat the cheesecake. Pretty sure the rest of don't live in caves, either, and sometimes I just want to eat what I want.
                          For me, a good fast after a cheat day is a nice way to give my body a break and detox. It can vary in length, just until I truly feel hungry again. Then I get right back on track with Primal eating.
                          If I had an acquaintance try to bully me into eating foods that were going to make me sick, they wouldn't be a friend any longer. And I don't consider eating something that I know is going to make me sick for weeks and then pretending I'm okay to be a sacrifice I am willing to make.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by mom23kids View Post
                            Because I'm still new to this whole thing and haven't gotten the point yet where I can snub my nose at a piece of cheese cake with fresh strawberries .
                            That's not a cheat, its a splurge. Get past the idea of doing primal 'right' or 'wrong'. Get yourself back on track by making the most kickass primal meal to remind yourself that healthy eating isn't a penance or a sacrifice.
                            Sandra
                            *My obligatory intro

                            There are no cheat days. There are days when you eat primal and days you don't. As soon as you label a day a cheat day, you're on a diet. Don't be on a diet. ~~ Fernaldo

                            DAINTY CAN KISS MY PRIMAL BACKSIDE. ~~ Crabcakes

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