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    Greetings Everyone,

    I'm transiting from very low carb. I've added a serving of berries and two servings of nuts per day ketosis reading is very light. Berries are good but I'd like to add more dense fruits for smoothies (not extremely sweet smoothies - green smoothies that use an apple, banana and/or mango to help with taste) and I'd like to try recipes with banana and or apple as a sweetener or binder (almond muffins).

    If I incorporate denser fruits with high fat and or proteins, will it mitigate the effects of the sugars in the fruit allowing me to continue in a fat burning mode? (ketosis)

    Does anyone know of a free nutritional calculator that will calculate carbs, fats, protein in a recipe and or a meal.

    Thanks in advance.

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    • #3
      Just as a general comment on fruits, I use them as my best natural carb source, I find weight loss is slower when I eat them but I still loose weight, and feel more comfortable than if I am very low carb. I still have very low carb days maybe once or twice a week, I believe that fruit consumption brings you out of. Ketosis generally (others will correct me if I'm wrong on that) bit it doesn't mean that you will stop losing excess fat, especially if you are active, at least that is my experience.
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      • #4
        As a general rule better for digestion to keep fat & protein seperate from carbohydrate,
        Otherwise not quite sure what you're trying to achieve, stay in Ketosis or stay out?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Omni View Post
          As a general rule better for digestion to keep fat & protein seperate from carbohydrate,
          Otherwise not quite sure what you're trying to achieve, stay in Ketosis or stay out?
          Omni, I am interested in learning more about the possibilities of food combining. Where is your "go to" site for information. Have you ever considered seasonal eating too. I am a bit skeptical about any of it making a big difference for me but I like trying stuff to see what it does. Thanks
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          • #6
            Don't have a specific site, just bit's I pick up here and there.
            Fat & protein stimulate acid production for their digestion, but carbohydrate supresses it for it's digestion, so that's why it's better to seperate them.

            Hydrate well 1/2 to 1 hour before eating and minimal fluids during meals, better to let your stomach add required fluid along with enzymes and acid required.

            Sour, bitter and fermented foods as a small appetizer before meal to stimulate the GI tract before the main meal.
            Main meal of proteins and fats
            Desert, fruits & other carbs & nuts.

            I follow the seasonal philosophy loosly, I think our body needs to be exercised in all realms, like our ancesters, there is some seasonal variation most everywhere, don't think pattern is too essential, but sometimes diet should be higher in meat & fat, say in colder months other times higher in fruits & carbs in warmer months. It's hard with supermarkets offering everything all the time, but lower prices often reflect when things are in season.
            Don't need to be too strict, just move diet around a bit, I like to look at it as tuning the "Dual Fuel Beast"
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Omni View Post
              Sour, bitter and fermented foods as a small appetizer before meal to stimulate the GI tract before the main meal.
              Main meal of proteins and fats
              Desert, fruits & other carbs & nuts.
              I'm intrigued by how traditional cuisines handle this. When I had formal meals in Japan and China the rice and fruit were used at the end as a sort of palate cleanser. Meanwhile my coworkers at lunch invariably wolf down the fries or crackers first...
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              • #8
                I think food combining is mostly a folklore thing. Would Grok have not eaten the haunch of mammoth because he didn't have the proper first course?

                But I think you can train your digestive system to expect only certain things, which would mean other unexpected combinations and foods might in the end be less well digested.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                  I think food combining is mostly a folklore thing.
                  If you eat 1g carb and 1g fat in the same meal, they mate and produce 1000g fat as offspring!
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                  • #10
                    Depends on the person. Just gradually build up and expect a few bouts of digestive discomfort if you eat too much.

                    Yesterday, for example, I had two apples, a small banana, a grapefruit, 3 dates, 8 grapes, some onion and some pepper. Stomach cramps and kinda fluid "results" this morning show I probably took it too far for my body.
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                    • #11
                      Seasonal eating can be fairly simple. If you use farmers markets as your primary source for fruits and veggies, you'll know what's seasonal by what's being sold. If you use grocery stores, very often price is an indicator where the cheapest produce is what's abundant at any given time of year.

                      Also listen to your body. I'm not sure which came first - the chicken or the egg, so to speak, but I noticed this winter that I barely thought of fruit except citrus. Then as the weather changed, I started lusting after strawberries, watermelon, and mango. Not sure if that's natural, or just because I started seeing them for sale again.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by picklepete View Post
                        I'm intrigued by how traditional cuisines handle this. When I had formal meals in Japan and China the rice and fruit were used at the end as a sort of palate cleanser. Meanwhile my coworkers at lunch invariably wolf down the fries or crackers first...
                        I think most traditional cultures did some degree of seperation of foodstuffs, the Italians had it the other way around, they had appetisers, then there might be a small pasta dish, then came the main meat & veg, then fruits at the end.

                        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                        I think food combining is mostly a folklore thing. Would Grok have not eaten the haunch of mammoth because he didn't have the proper first course?

                        But I think you can train your digestive system to expect only certain things, which would mean other unexpected combinations and foods might in the end be less well digested.
                        I don't think you should take folklore so lightly, it is a cultural thing and plays a vital role in knowledge transfer, the reasons are often forgotten, but most of it has a good rational basis.
                        There are many examples, particularly the processing of poisonous plants or animals to make them edible.
                        The most obvious is the soaking and rinsing of grains and legumes before cooking, I'm sure there are other older people who remember their mothers always doing this, their mothers may not have known it was to remove antinutrients, but they knew to do it because their mothers had shown them.
                        I imagine Grok even had the same types of customs, the northern tribes have specific customs on how organs are divided amongst the family to ensure every member gets a good dose of essential vitamins, the sun guided them through seasons, appearance of birds herald spring, the moon tells them when to gather seafoods. The extended human childhood is specifically for cultural transfer of knowledge, so it seems our success as a species was dependant on that.

                        I'm not sure you can train your body to take all manner of food combinations, there are certain things that just don't mix, they need differing digestive conditions, the body will do the best it can, but that's far from ideal.

                        Though if you are in the low carb end diet wise, I don't think there is too much of a concern, aint enough there to play with anyway.
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                        • #13
                          Food combining is carried to extremes in many cases. I disagree that soaking and rinsing of grains and legumes even counts as food combining. Food combining is not eating fruit and meat at the same meal because something dreadful will happen.

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                          • #14
                            Thank you

                            Greetings Everyone thank you for your comments. My concern is leaving ketosis. I know that fat lose is accomplished without ketosis, I just like the safety net of never being hungry.

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