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  • Originally posted by Zach View Post
    Thanks, i appreciate that.


    Derp: your a liar, you said you are pizza two days ago! Pretty sure lying is a mortal sin.
    I'm actually eating pizza right now too... Forgive me Grok, for I have sinned...
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    • Originally posted by Cierra
      How do you eat pizza sooooo often? I get tired of stuff and couldn't eat the same thing for 3 meals in a row! I'm impressed.
      A lot, never get tired of it. It tastes too good, and there are so many varieties
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      • Here is your sugar addiction and maladapted testimony, as quoted by you, in your own big rock candy journal.

        Decided to give it a go for fun since i havent even attempted a low carb day in over 2 years. First meal was ok, by the second meal i had a headache and a very distinct slowing of heart rate with a bit of palps thrown in. An hour after the second meal i threw in the towel and fruited it up.
        Thanks, Paleobird. Thankfully, we have little to defend against. Zach does a fine job of sticking his own foot in his mouth! Don't we all?

        No, my health is not quite perfect. But I no longer ooze pus, walk with a cane, have itching rashes, pour grease from my facial pores, crave food all day every day even when my stomach is full, have ringing ears, snore, have horrible joint pain, have seasonal allergies - good god, I hadn't realized how long this list could get, and I'm only just starting to write it!

        No, I can't digest starch. Trying to do so recently caused me a lot of problems. So I dropped it and now I'm back, baby! And my skin is amazing again, people keep thinking I'm a lot younger. Berries and tea, kombucha, sun and sauerkraut all seem to make me look younger. And feel younger, too! I do eat some fruit here and there, just not starchy fruit like underripe bananas. But mostly meat, endless piles of fatty meat, eggs, bone broth, other carnivore fare are serving me well. I'm actually amazed at how easy this steak and eggs thing is getting now, by week two
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        • What is it with you two and misrepresenting information?

          Your original post. "not be able to miss a meal (as you recently stated you had trouble doing)"

          And you got that from this? "First meal was ok, by the second meal i had a headache and a very distinct slowing of heart rate with a bit of palps thrown in."

          These distinct symptoms happened during eating 2 entirely protein/fat meals. Eating these meals vs fasting is completely different. I can go a complete day fasted with no insulin issues whatsoever. What you consider sugar addiction, i consider health. I will fully admit that ketosis is bad for me, i believe it to be a natural state of stress.

          So in conclusion, i have had to waste a good bit of time defending myself from idiots that have no reading comprehension and like to twist realities and put words in peoples mouths to feel better about their own issues.

          Honestly i dont care if you love your diet or not, im only here to try and help others who might not be as successful on a similar diet. Ill leave it there.

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          • Well, at least we can agree on the notion that we are disagreeing. You think relying heavily on refined sugar is a healthy thing. I advocate fat. We'll just have to wait and see who attends whose (wait, who's?) funeral. I'll probably fall out of a tree and die that way - and then you can say it was all those ketones slowing me down and creating brain fog. Actually, I want that on my tombstone. "Here lies Knifegill. He tried to climb trees while utilizing fat as fuel and the resulting brain fog led to his uncoordinated, clutzy demise."

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            • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
              Been gluten free for 3 days and I suddenly feel alive again. Like something just clicked and everything has been restored to me. It's amazing. Gluten is one of the 7 deadly sins.

              Greed
              Gluten
              Lust
              Envy
              Sloth
              Wrath
              Pride
              Bahahahaha!
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • You've seen my pictures lately. Body comp is good. Mood is stable. Stools normal. My bloodwork always comes back great. I sleep like a stone and have tons of energy most days. I sprint, climb things, can drop and do a set of 30 push-ups easily, even when I'm tired. Clear thoughts. Stand all day with little discomfort. Very strong grip strength. Can eat a lot or a little as hunger dictates. As far as I can tell, my health is above average. Not sure why you think I seem unhealthy. I'm sure you also seem perfectly healthy.
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                • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                  You've seen my pictures lately. Body comp is good. Mood is stable. Stools normal. My bloodwork always comes back great. I sleep like a stone and have tons of energy most days. I sprint, climb things, can drop and do a set of 30 push-ups easily, even when I'm tired. Clear thoughts. Stand all day with little discomfort. Very strong grip strength. Can eat a lot or a little as hunger dictates. As far as I can tell, my health is above average. Not sure why you think I seem unhealthy. I'm sure you also seem perfectly healthy.
                  Because you react that poorly to a benign, beneficial macronutrient, it's obvious something is wrong systematically that you're not addressing.

                  Fat doesn't make me break out and ooze, walk with a cane, gain 5lbs, or whatever else you claim. And, no, it's not because fat is inherently healthier either.

                  You look fine, right now, but that doesn't tell the whole story. You can eat whatever you want though, I personally don't care. But, you shouldn't try to say that you're perfectly healthy while simultaneously nearly dying from eating fruit either. That shit isn't normal.

                  I seem perfectly healthy, yeah, because I don't really give a rats ass about what I eat, really, I just keep pufa low, and avoid eating crap I don't like the taste of.
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                  • So, by avoiding the food that makes ME sick, I'm a broken person. But by avoiding the food that makes YOU sick, you're the champion of the universe?
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                    • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                      So, by avoiding the food that makes ME sick, I'm a broken person. But by avoiding the food that makes YOU sick, you're the champion of the universe?
                      I avoid food that tastes bad to me too, but, targeted foods that cause discomfort for some reason or other is greatly different than having an entire macronutrient make you feel that ill.
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                      • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                        Thanks, Paleobird. Thankfully, we have little to defend against. Zach does a fine job of sticking his own foot in his mouth!

                        No, my health is not quite perfect. But I no longer ooze pus, walk with a cane, have itching rashes, pour grease from my facial pores, crave food all day every day even when my stomach is full, have ringing ears, snore, have horrible joint pain, have seasonal allergies - good god, I hadn't realized how long this list could get, and I'm only just starting to write it!

                        No, I can't digest starch. Trying to do so recently caused me a lot of problems. So I dropped it and now I'm back, baby! And my skin is amazing again, people keep thinking I'm a lot younger. Berries and tea, kombucha, sun and sauerkraut all seem to make me look younger. And feel younger, too! I do eat some fruit here and there, just not starchy fruit like underripe bananas. But mostly meat, endless piles of fatty meat, eggs, bone broth, other carnivore fare are serving me well. I'm actually amazed at how easy this steak and eggs thing is getting now, by week two
                        Hi Knifegill. Yeah, I don't understand why someone else being happy and successful seems to be so threatening to some people.

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                        • That thread has been drowned in noise by quite a lot. So if I add my own, it won't be that dramatic :

                          I have been in ketosis (mild to deep) for a few months without ill-effects, I just dropped a lot of body fat. It allowed me to understand a few things about how my body works, etc. But spring is here and I feel like cycling a bit by upping the carbs (sweet potatoes / rice) and lower the fat a little. I also naturally decreased my consumption of veggies these last weeks, like I have no interest in them. So my one meal a day is mostly meats / organs / fish / moderate added fat (butter - will never drop that one!) and occasional starchy item (potatoes / rice or not so ripe bananas). I don't really do nuts anymore and my fruit consumption is still low (occasional berries) save for bananas as of late. The combo IF a la pklopp and the upping of starches into the low-moderate realm (~ 100g) is definitely doing something to me, my body composition is changing (not fatter). Even though I do IF, I am in no calorie deficit at all. I eat quite a lot and a quick check in fitday showed that at or slightly above my needs.

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                          • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            Hi Knifegill. Yeah, I don't understand why someone else being happy and successful seems to be so threatening to some people.
                            You speak like someone with blinders on. It's one way or no way, right!?

                            Not really. We're omnivores, designed to be able to digest and put to use a plethora of different food groups. You eat 99.5% fat because you're otherwise a sick person, are you not? Though I may or may not agree with your choice of methods, if he were healthy, he'd be able to eat carbs just fine like everyone else. Ratios can vary here, not asking him to eat like me, I know the thresholds for tolerance are different.

                            But, of course, he feels soooo good on VLC, let's just ignore the other symptoms, despite it really being an abnormal(and for all evidence, and purposes, not primal) way of eating in the first place.

                            To end it though, it's his choice to eat how he wants, just like it's my choice to smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day and drink like a fish over losing a hockey game. Free will and all that. So, I respect his choice to make use of whatever time he has on this planet in whatever way he wants. If he just happens to be addicted to eating fat, then more power to him. I hate people who tread on this, I'm just keeping it real and telling it how it is. It's not healthy, and these posts are designed to bring that to light for anyone else attempting this fad diet for the sake of weight loss and just happen to feel miserable. It's not for everyone, and it's not abnormal that you feel bad.
                            Last edited by Derpamix; 05-13-2013, 06:01 AM.
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                            • Actually Knife does eat fruits and such.... if I remember his experiment correctly it was when he attempted to make them the focus or majority of his diet it produced issues. I don't know how that can be considered unhealthy. Its biochemical individuality. Could be his epigenetics from his great-grandparents through the time in the womb made him this way, or all the way to his ancestors, or his gut biome from birth till now produces the effect. Whatever it is all we really need to do to validate our decision regarding his diet (or yours for that matter), at least this is in my estimation, is to find a group/civilization of HG or traditional peoples enjoying abundant health that live in a manner close to that which we have adopted. Easy right?

                              Basically we are all unhealthy/imperfect just as a function of being born into this society. We just have to make due with the tools we are given.
                              Last edited by Neckhammer; 05-13-2013, 06:58 AM.

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                              • I don't think it varies that much, but I do agree with your last statement profusely.
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