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  • #76
    Originally posted by Zach View Post
    I dont. Only if there is extreme calorie restriction at the same time. IF when done right seems to improve metabolism among other things.
    And, when you say 'extreme' are you talking about something like:

    I should get approx 2800 cals/day to maintain weight

    2200 would help me lose weight at a steady, safe rate

    1400 would be 'extreme'

    ...or, are you talking about even less of a difference?

    Sorry to ask what are probably already known questions on the ins and outs of IF, I am just literally a total noob.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by jackaaron View Post
      And, when you say 'extreme' are you talking about something like:

      I should get approx 2800 cals/day to maintain weight

      2200 would help me lose weight at a steady, safe rate

      1400 would be 'extreme'

      ...or, are you talking about even less of a difference?

      Sorry to ask what are probably already known questions on the ins and outs of IF, I am just literally a total noob.
      Im assuming your male so yes, under i would say 2000 calories a day on top of IFing would be detrimental to health unless there are refeed days as well. Unless you have a lot of fat to lose though i would suggest not counting calories and just eating as much as is comfortable in the feast window and make sure to eat plenty of protein and carbs.

      People seem to do bad on longer IF fasts like Warrior (20/4) or Every Other Day (36/12) fasts where the eating window usually cannot make up for the amount of fasted time. Add to that eating tons of low calorie foods like veggies and lean meats and avoiding carbs, that will usually end in disaster.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Zach View Post
        Im assuming your male so yes, under i would say 2000 calories a day on top of IFing would be detrimental to health unless there are refeed days as well. Unless you have a lot of fat to lose though i would suggest not counting calories and just eating as much as is comfortable in the feast window and make sure to eat plenty of protein and carbs.

        People seem to do bad on longer IF fasts like Warrior (20/4) or Every Other Day (36/12) fasts where the eating window usually cannot make up for the amount of fasted time. Add to that eating tons of low calorie foods like veggies and lean meats and avoiding carbs, that will usually end in disaster.
        And, refeed days. What is your idea (if you don't mind me asking) of a refeed while on IF as laid out by PK (eat once a day)? PK doesn't seem to employ a "refeed"

        I'm attempting to slowly ease into IF as PK describes it in the 3 part series. Half hour a week until you get there.

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        • #79
          Havnt read pk's series. Warrior diet is one meal a day and unless you have a great stomach capacity, good luck.

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          • #80
            I prefer to think of them as more of a holy trinity...since they for all intents and purposes cured my health woes entirely. I think it's fine to be addicted to sugar and not be able to miss a meal (as you recently stated you had trouble doing) since we live in a world where sugar is on tap, anyway. As long as you're okay with all the eventual negative health consequences, you can enjoy feeling amazing now for the trade-off of frailty and decay in old age. It's a personal choice. I'd rather feel amazing now on high-fat and keep feeling amazing into old age...

            Warrior works fine for almost anybody on high-fat. Whether one meal or a few hours' eating time, it's not hard to get enough calories into you with high-fat food.
            Crohn's, doing SCD

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
              I prefer to think of them as more of a holy trinity...since they for all intents and purposes cured my health woes entirely. I think it's fine to be addicted to sugar and not be able to miss a meal (as you recently stated you had trouble doing) since we live in a world where sugar is on tap, anyway. As long as you're okay with all the eventual negative health consequences, you can enjoy feeling amazing now for the trade-off of frailty and decay in old age. It's a personal choice. I'd rather feel amazing now on high-fat and keep feeling amazing into old age...

              Warrior works fine for almost anybody on high-fat. Whether one meal or a few hours' eating time, it's not hard to get enough calories into you with high-fat food.
              Are you talking to me?

              I can go a whole day easy with zero food and then eat 400g of carbs with zero energy issues, pretty sure my blood sugar regulation is ok.

              Also im leaner and i would wager stronger then you are so yea, i think i will trade those eventual negative health consequences for great health now. Wernt you the one bloating like a balloon and aging rapidly? Why are you trying to diss someone who is in great health when what you are doing isnt even working for yourself.

              Warrior and low carb is a recipe for disaster. Lets see how much stress we can pile on the body at once!

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Are you talking to me?

                I can go a whole day easy with zero food and then eat 400g of carbs with zero energy issues, pretty sure my blood sugar regulation is ok.

                Also im leaner and i would wager stronger then you are so yea, i think i will trade those eventual negative health consequences for great health now. Wernt you the one bloating like a balloon and aging rapidly? Why are you trying to diss someone who is in great health when what you are doing isnt even working for yourself.

                Warrior and low carb is a recipe for disaster. Lets see how much stress we can pile on the body at once!
                You're wrong there Zach. Or rather your blanket assertion doesn't fit my experience and that of a lot of others. The warrior diet is much easier, in fact it is just natural feeling, on low carb whereas on higher carb it is a serious exercise in willpower.

                Knifegill is probably working a double shift or something but the time he was complaining about bloat and looking old was the time someone talked him into experimenting with higher carb. On what he calls "Steakanegzz", he is doing great.

                It's nice that you have good blood sugar regulation now when you're young. It's easy to do when you are young and healthy.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  You're wrong there Zach. Or rather your blanket assertion doesn't fit my experience and that of a lot of others. The warrior diet is much easier, in fact it is just natural feeling, on low carb whereas on higher carb it is a serious exercise in willpower.

                  Knifegill is probably working a double shift or something but the time he was complaining about bloat and looking old was the time someone talked him into experimenting with higher carb. On what he calls "Steakanegzz", he is doing great.

                  It's nice that you have good blood sugar regulation now when you're young. It's easy to do when you are young and healthy.
                  In my experience and the experience of many others, it is a disaster. I think its much safer on high carb.

                  Also im 30, hardly young. I had horrible blood sugar regulation after a few years of low carb, close to diabetic. I bounced back from that greatly. So again, i was not naturally gifted in this regard.

                  We will never agree on any if this, no point in arguing.

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                  • #84
                    I think it's funny that you're listening to the wrong "other people". I am an "other people" for whom very low carb and IF'ing feels amazing. But, you fail to even acknowledge my positive experience. I've done this for three years. It worked, kept working, and continues to work. Yeah, I DO rotate my macros and occasionally gorge on fruit, chocolate, etc, but not very often. Most days are fatty meat, fatty plant, some berries, the typical PB menu (- salad).
                    Crohn's, doing SCD

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                    • #85
                      Sorry but from what i have seen from you, i do not believe you are a healthy individual.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Zach View Post
                        Sorry but from what i have seen from you, i do not believe you are a healthy individual.
                        This coming from a guy who thinks pizza, candy, and sodas have a place in a healthy diet.

                        Zach, you are just being mean and snotty here. Knifegill has gone through some changes, done some n=1, and has found what works for him. What grounds do you possibly have for calling him "unhealthy" other than just pettiness?

                        Why does someone else being successful in a way that different from yours bug you so much?

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                        • #87
                          I'm still losing weight, still doing VLC effortlessly when I do it, up to a week at a time, and more often than not. Still doing intermittent fasting of various sorts. Healthy before I started, healthier than ever.

                          Waiting for the fail.

                          Still waiting...

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            This coming from a guy who thinks pizza, candy, and sodas have a place in a healthy diet.

                            Zach, you are just being mean and snotty here. Knifegill has gone through some changes, done some n=1, and has found what works for him. What grounds do you possibly have for calling him "unhealthy" other than just pettiness?

                            Why does someone else being successful in a way that different from yours bug you so much?
                            Paleobird, i am beyond sick of you sticking your beak in other peoples business and being the defender of all things ketosis. It is my personal opinion that knifegill is unhealthy, purely based on posts of his own. Im entitled to my opinion and it has nothing to do with pettiness. If i wanted to be petty i could.

                            If you didnt notice (of course you did, you just chose to ignore it since im not your pal), he attacked me, unprovoked, weakly i might add without actually directing his post to me.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Zach View Post
                              Paleobird, i am beyond sick of you sticking your beak in other peoples business and being the defender of all things ketosis. It is my personal opinion that knifegill is unhealthy, purely based on posts of his own. Im entitled to my opinion and it has nothing to do with pettiness. If i wanted to be petty i could.

                              If you didnt notice (of course you did, you just chose to ignore it since im not your pal), he attacked me, unprovoked, weakly i might add without actually directing his post to me.
                              I'm not defending ketosis. I'm defending my friend.

                              And he never attacked you. He was only talking about his own positive experience. If that makes you so intimidated that you see it as an attack, wow, you really need some help with those paranoid tendencies.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                                I'm still losing weight, still doing VLC effortlessly when I do it, up to a week at a time, and more often than not. Still doing intermittent fasting of various sorts. Healthy before I started, healthier than ever.

                                Waiting for the fail.

                                Still waiting...
                                Me too. Still waiting. And feeling awesome.

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