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  • #16
    Originally posted by JonnyH View Post
    I read books, articles, all with conflicting info, how do you decide what's right?!
    That's the United States dilemma...

    The corporations fund their own research which shows exactly what they want it to show, the government picks/funds certain research which shows exactly what they want it to show, they all claim it is "science", but everything contradicts everything else, leaving people confused. Meat is good, but meat also causes cancer? Fat is good but fat also causes heart attack? Salt is good or salt is bad? Doesn't make sense.

    Since they are so confused they start saying "everything in moderation", which translated means "we don't have a clue".

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    • #17
      Here are some books I would recommend you read before ever asking advice from Jack Kruse. He is a nutcase extraordinaire.

      The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson
      Perfect Health Diet by Paul Jaminet
      Live Young Forever by Jack Lalanne

      All of these guys say basically the same thing, in different ways: No processed foods, especially sugar, flour, and veg oils; Carb/Fat/Protein all user-dependant; There is no one-size-fits-all approach; Exercise for fitness, not weightloss; Eat for health and fat loss

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      • #18
        Oh, and since you are mainly concerned about your arterial condition you may be interested in the "track your plaque" program with William Davis (cardiologist and author of Wheat Belly) here Track Your Plaque Heart Disease Prevention and Reversal Online

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
          Ah, I see why you are talking about now (re: furry carotids). I'm gonna take it your a non-smoker. Any signs of metabolic syndrome? Exercise?
          Hi, yeah never smoked, always exercised regularly, cycling mainly, bit of running, walking and weights once or twice a week. I’m slim, 5’9”, 137lbs.
          No sign of metabolic syndrome, CRP always below 1.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Omni View Post
            More information required.
            Where did you come from health wise?
            Is there any trend in your Insulin/Glucose levels & have you checked Leptin levels?
            Do you have any overt symptoms, how's your thyroid & metabolic rate?
            How is the rest of your life health wise, stress exercise, daily movement?
            Have you seen any improvements in the last three years?

            Have you tried IF, this is another very valuable dietary tool, kind of like a halfway variation, where even though you may eat a good amount of carbs, your body still spends more time in the part-keto zone because of the fasting.
            Hi, always been healthy, no major ops or illnesses, I’m 46 now.
            My insulin and glucose levels have always been good, never had my Leptin checked, didn’t know you could!
            My thyroid, apparently is ok, metabollic rate, not sure, I do suffer with the cold, but put that being down to being very lean.
            As I said before, I have always exercised regularly, cycling mainly, bit of running, walking and weights once or twice a week.
            In the last 3 years me health has slowly got worse if anything, I’ve had what seems like a constant sore throat, with bit of a chesty cough, like when your coming down with something, but it never progresses into anything. Had lots of checks with the docs, had chest x-ray, antibiotics etc. still there now.
            I have tried IF, going from dinner at 5pm, and not eating to 9 or 10am the following day. Did feel ok on that, may start to do more of that.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
              That's the United States dilemma...

              The corporations fund their own research which shows exactly what they want it to show, the government picks/funds certain research which shows exactly what they want it to show, they all claim it is "science", but everything contradicts everything else, leaving people confused. Meat is good, but meat also causes cancer? Fat is good but fat also causes heart attack? Salt is good or salt is bad? Doesn't make sense.

              Since they are so confused they start saying "everything in moderation", which translated means "we don't have a clue".
              Yep, great post, sums up how I feel right now!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by otzi View Post
                Here are some books I would recommend you read before ever asking advice from Jack Kruse. He is a nutcase extraordinaire.

                The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson
                Perfect Health Diet by Paul Jaminet
                Live Young Forever by Jack Lalanne

                All of these guys say basically the same thing, in different ways: No processed foods, especially sugar, flour, and veg oils; Carb/Fat/Protein all user-dependant; There is no one-size-fits-all approach; Exercise for fitness, not weightloss; Eat for health and fat loss
                Hi, I have read PB and PHD, PB was what started me off on the Primal path 3 years ago. I have upped my carbs after re-reading PHD.
                I eat no processed food, white flour, sugar and veg oils, haven’t for ages, the odd treat maybe, but on the whole processed food free.

                I will look up Live Young Forever.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                  Oh, and since you are mainly concerned about your arterial condition you may be interested in the "track your plaque" program with William Davis (cardiologist and author of Wheat Belly) here Track Your Plaque Heart Disease Prevention and Reversal Online
                  Yes looked at that site, it’s quite expensive to join, haven’t the spare money right now, and I’m in the UK, so was concerned I wouldn’t have access to tests he recommends.

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                  • #24
                    Just tracked down your post on the JK site,
                    Assume these are your numbers, the link in your OP didn't work for me
                    Also copied down first response with cholesterol calcs, so others can save their effort.

                    Labs in-worried!
                    So I’ve just got back from my appt with a senior pathology specialist about my high cholesterol.

                    Here are my Jan 2013 numbers:

                    Total 10.26(396)
                    HDL 2.35(90.8)
                    LDL 7.59(293)
                    TRIGS 0.70(62)
                    APO A 2.28
                    APO B 2.14

                    Cpr <1
                    Vit D 59(148)

                    My numbers have been around these numbers since I went high fat, low carb a few years ago.
                    Previously my numbers were a lot lower, though trigs were slightly higher and HDL a bit lower.

                    This is the first time I’ve had the Apoliprotein A & B tested, the specialist said he’s concerned about the high LDL, and the Apo B numbers.

                    Can anyone look at these numbers and determine if I should be worried or not.

                    I’m male, 46, 5’9”, 138lbs, very active, run, cycle or weights most days.

                    I eat a fair amount of fish a week, salmon, mackerel, cod.
                    Lamb and Beef once a week.
                    A small amount of lambs liver twice a week.
                    8-10 eggs a week.
                    Little dairy,a bit of greek yoghurt and raw cream.
                    Lots of veg with lots of butter and EVOO.
                    Avocadoes, 1 piece of fruit a day
                    Coconut ouil and milk regularly.
                    Macadamia nuts(50g a day) and 1 or 2 brazil nuts a day.
                    1 small sweet potatoe a day.
                    A couple of glasses of red wine a week.
                    Small amount of dark chocolate.
                    No caffeine at all, just herbal teas and water.

                    That’s about it for my diet, the doc said to have 1 egg a week, no liver, no lamb(too fatty!) a small amount of EVOO, no butter, no avocadoes.
                    He said to eat lots of fish, chicken, veg and fruit, and not a lot else!
                    Now, as I said, I work out most days, and generally aim for 2,500-3000 cals a day. That’s an awful lot of fish, fruit and veg with no fats to get to 3000 cals!

                    All my other labs were excellent, he said the Vit D and B were very high, he couldn’t believe I don’t take Vit B supplements, guess it’s the liver.
                    He checked me over for cholesterol deposits, none anywhere. He ruled out FH.
                    He listened to my arteries and heart, all excellent.
                    He was desperate to put me on statins, but has given me 4 months to sort via diet.
                    He’s sending me for a scan to check for any furring in the arteries.

                    Any feedback.advice would be greatly appreciated.
                    When I plugged your numbers into the cholesterol calculator I got the following for the ratios:

                    Iranian Equation (your triglycerides were under 100)
                    LDL, Calc 245
                    Total/HDL 4.36 (ideal =5 or lower for men)
                    Trig/HDL 0.68 (ideal = 2 or below)
                    LDL/HDL 2.70 (ideal = 4.3 or below)

                    p.s. my doctor wanted to put me on statins too. I said NO!
                    "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                    • #25
                      My thoughts:

                      Don't worry, eat lots of good sources of dietary fat

                      Don't worry about consuming cholesterol (your body makes much more than you eat)

                      Don't worry about your cholesterol so long as you have high HDL numbers

                      Even then, LVDL can't really harm you if other inflammatory markers are down (hypertension, high insulin levels, oxidative stress) that cause the holes in your arteries to begin with.

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                      • #26
                        You said your cholesterol had gone up a little, but looks like your ratio's have improved a bit, yes?
                        The arterial thickening, is this the first time checked, hence you don't know how long it's been like that?

                        The things that stick out for me is
                        Your weight is a bit low, or borderline at best.
                        You're extremely active, daily?
                        You mentioned you halve a nervous type predisposition.
                        You have a sniffle/cough type of thing that won't leave.

                        Just throwing around possibilities, you need more fat on your body, once you go too low all sorts of hormones go out of whack.
                        Your exercise frequency and volume may be puting you in the same CVD risk as elite atheletes, quite high.
                        Your nervous/worrisome nature may well be driven by low weight and hormones or it may just be old patterns, either way it ain't helping your cause.
                        The cough thing, is likely mucous build up, which is a sign of increased immune activity.

                        Is all this a sign that your body is actually run down, you are not giving it enough time to repair before throwing it into another bout of exertion.
                        How many rest days do you have per week?
                        "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Omni View Post
                          You said your cholesterol had gone up a little, but looks like your ratio's have improved a bit, yes?
                          The arterial thickening, is this the first time checked, hence you don't know how long it's been like that?

                          The things that stick out for me is
                          Your weight is a bit low, or borderline at best.
                          You're extremely active, daily?
                          You mentioned you halve a nervous type predisposition.
                          You have a sniffle/cough type of thing that won't leave.

                          Just throwing around possibilities, you need more fat on your body, once you go too low all sorts of hormones go out of whack.
                          Your exercise frequency and volume may be puting you in the same CVD risk as elite atheletes, quite high.
                          Your nervous/worrisome nature may well be driven by low weight and hormones or it may just be old patterns, either way it ain't helping your cause.
                          The cough thing, is likely mucous build up, which is a sign of increased immune activity.

                          Is all this a sign that your body is actually run down, you are not giving it enough time to repair before throwing it into another bout of exertion.
                          How many rest days do you have per week?
                          Hi, yes my ratios have improved a bit, HDL has gone up, so not all bad!

                          This was the first time I had my arteries checked, and as you were thinking, as I have thought about it too, maybe it was worse before going Primal?! I will never know.

                          Good thoughts on my weight/body fat etc. trouble is I find it very hard to put weight on.

                          I agree a lot of my problems could be due to being underweight, and bit of a worrier.

                          As for my exercising, I don’t do loads, and I do have a rest day or 2 a week.

                          Here’s a typical week for me:

                          Walk 30mins at lunctime 5 days a week(gotta get out of the office!)
                          30min bike ready 2 times a week, below 75% max
                          Run once, maybe twice a week, up to 40 mins, again 75% of max or below.

                          Weights once, sometimes twice a week, and then it’s only a short 20 min session, bench press, chins and deadlifts.

                          Maybe a longer walk at the weekends with the dog.

                          So I wouldn’t say that was excessive by any means.

                          Thanks for the thoughtful reply, given me lots to think about.

                          PS, one thing I have noticed in the last few weeks, is the glands under my chin seem swollen, maybe a sign of imflammation?
                          Last edited by JonnyH; 05-01-2013, 05:19 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by otzi View Post
                            Here are some books I would recommend you read before ever asking advice from Jack Kruse. He is a nutcase extraordinaire.

                            The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson
                            Perfect Health Diet by Paul Jaminet
                            Live Young Forever by Jack Lalanne

                            All of these guys say basically the same thing, in different ways: No processed foods, especially sugar, flour, and veg oils; Carb/Fat/Protein all user-dependant; There is no one-size-fits-all approach; Exercise for fitness, not weightloss; Eat for health and fat loss
                            So I have looked up Jack Lalane articles and interviews on the web, that's a shed load of exercise he did, obviously worked for him.
                            As for the diet, lots of fruit and veg,(I have increased my intake recently), oatmeal, brown rice etc. fish and egg whites. So not Paleo at all, just good old non-processed foods, without the red meat.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JonnyH View Post
                              So I have looked up Jack Lalane articles and interviews on the web, that's a shed load of exercise he did, obviously worked for him.
                              As for the diet, lots of fruit and veg,(I have increased my intake recently), oatmeal, brown rice etc. fish and egg whites. So not Paleo at all, just good old non-processed foods, without the red meat.
                              I mentioned Jack Lalanne because he was just a 'no processed foods' guy. He ate low-fat, which was the current meme of the 70's, and 80's, and he ate a little bit of whole wheat bread. His exercise routine is probably a bit much to copy, but he beleived in staying fit.

                              As to your numbers, I think you should not take statins. Just keep on tweaking your diet and exercise and watch for trends. Looking at the menu you posted, I'd recommend adding a couple more servings of starch (potatoes/rice) and cutting back on the extra fats (coconut oil, added butter, nuts, avacados) you are getting plenty of fat! Jack Kruse' advice to eat ketogenic seafood is not that great for everyone as youi are seeing.

                              I had numbers similar to yours, and they got lots better adding in the starches as PHD suggests.

                              I can't believe how high your HDL is. Almost makes me think you have a hereditary thing going on.

                              Question: On your lab report, was there an "H" next to the HDL number? My wife's doc wanted her on statins soley because her HDL had an "H" beside it. What a crock!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by otzi View Post
                                I mentioned Jack Lalanne because he was just a 'no processed foods' guy. He ate low-fat, which was the current meme of the 70's, and 80's, and he ate a little bit of whole wheat bread. His exercise routine is probably a bit much to copy, but he beleived in staying fit.

                                As to your numbers, I think you should not take statins. Just keep on tweaking your diet and exercise and watch for trends. Looking at the menu you posted, I'd recommend adding a couple more servings of starch (potatoes/rice) and cutting back on the extra fats (coconut oil, added butter, nuts, avacados) you are getting plenty of fat! Jack Kruse' advice to eat ketogenic seafood is not that great for everyone as youi are seeing.

                                I had numbers similar to yours, and they got lots better adding in the starches as PHD suggests.

                                I can't believe how high your HDL is. Almost makes me think you have a hereditary thing going on.

                                Question: On your lab report, was there an "H" next to the HDL number? My wife's doc wanted her on statins soley because her HDL had an "H" beside it. What a crock!
                                Hi Otzi, thanks for reply, just checked, didn't have a 'H' next to the HDL number on my repaort.

                                As for having a hereditary thing going on, the doc didn't think I had, my cholesterol has always been low prior to going Primal. H esaid if it was hereditary I would have had high cholesterol for a long time.

                                I have upped my starches now, I have a few legumes that have been soaked well, lots of fruit and veg now. And I have cut out the extra fats, except for a little EVOO and a small amount of avocado here and there.
                                So hopefully this will help

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