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    should i eat 50% fat and 40% protein and 10% carbs -- would that be ok?

    not for fitness or losing gaining weight or anything. just for whatever i healthy

    looking for reliable, scientific studies only

  • #2
    I thought you were starving to death? Eat more carbs, don't be stupid. Try the reverse: 50/40/10 c/p/f
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    • #3
      nobody say this was for me. i obviously have a big starving problem (hardly ate anything today).

      for the answer given, what are the scientific studies or sources that support that claim? that's what is definitely needed.
      Last edited by straving2death; 04-27-2013, 03:41 PM.

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      • #4
        Low carb diets cause cortisol secretion among many other adverse effects(such as it being an inefficient process in which 6 molecules of ATP are needed before your body can create glucose to use) and excess cortisol causes bloating, weight gain, uneven body fat distribution, etc etc

        Stress and body shape: stress-induced ... [Psychosom Med. 2000 Sep-Oct] - PubMed - NCBI
        Stress-induced cortisol, mood, and fat distribution... [Obes Res. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20368473
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        • #5
          huh interesting.. any good guides? instead of having to look through each and every combination of those Macro-nutrients, and seeing why each combination have negative effects, and whatever option we're left with is the good one (just because it has no or the least negative effects)

          that single good guide would help clear everything up (on this topic).
          Last edited by straving2death; 04-27-2013, 03:48 PM.

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          • #6
            There are no guides because it varies wildly between each individual person. One thing is certain is that everyone needs some level of carbs, and I would get no lower than 33(33/33/33 nice symmetry), protein for thyroid and musculoskeletal health, and a bit of fat to slow carbohydrates and protein from entering the blood stream as well as absorption of fat soluble vitamins.
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            • #7
              "wildly between each individual person"

              -- if they have conditions.
              -- so we're talking about the average person without any diseases or conditions that would largely affect what is recommended as "healthy" for those few people.

              there may not be any guides, especially a really good single guide filtering out all the info. but there probably is a study about what % normal people should be eating.

              if there isn't, then everyone (who follows these "widely spread recommendations") are eating based off of tradition and custom, supported by absolutely no concrete evidence

              and in that case, most ppl like me should probably just eat (plan was to make a stable meal with the "right" Macro-nutrients proportions). then i won't have to be needing to clarify on these nutritional things. far more fun i feel.
              Last edited by straving2death; 04-27-2013, 04:15 PM.

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              • #8
                If the person is healthy without a compromised glucose metabolism or thyroid then they should definitely just eat normal and probably not even bother macronutrient counting. I know I don't.
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                • #9
                  There's reliable epidemiological evidence for just about every macro breakdown there is EXCEPT that almost all societies eat protein in the 10-30% range. Fat and Carbs are in varying amounts and you can find a traditional culture exhibiting rather excellent health at both ends of the spectrum. The thing that is most noticeable in the traditional and HG tribes that exhibit health is the foods they all DON'T eat.... refined sugar, wheat, vegetable oils ect.....

                  Biochemically we can theorize on why one vs another macro breakdown would be best for your particular health goals, but then thats all part of the N=1 that we all find ourselves in.

                  As far as the stress bit... low CALORIE is stressful. But we've done this dance before so thats all I'll post on that.
                  Last edited by Neckhammer; 04-27-2013, 04:11 PM.

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                  • #10
                    You need a guide?
                    Some of you may die, but that is a risk I'm willing to take.

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                    • #11
                      Personally I like to think of what I eat as the modern hunter/gatherer diet: So here is a general analysis of what they eat in macro terms....

                      Whole Health Source: Composition of the Hunter-Gatherer Diet

                      " On average, the hunter-gatherer groups analyzed got about 70% of their calories from hunted foods. This makes the case that meat-heavy omnivory is our preferred ecological niche. However, it also shows that we can thrive on a plant-rich diet containing modest amounts of quality animal foods."

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                      • #12
                        i dont know what are the direct sources of these "epidemiological evidence.. in almost all societies" and as far as i know you could be spamming like black timber over there (ur high post counts could be indicative that you are not)

                        1) though i realised that what's important here is that the world's nutritionists, the most leading and the most cutting edge, if they haven't figured this all out and recommended something to society at large, along with their studies and sources,

                        2) and if those that do epidemiology havent found ten or even a single widespread disease by eating 50% protein (omg! 20% above the maximum level that is historically "safe")

                        ** then it's a good enough guess that you should go dancing and that i should go solve my straving probelm -- once and for all

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                        and that link is to a palo blog that i've seen before from an academic (i think though that i rather just eat what is generally considered to be healthy, which is perfectly fine -- no need for these new and ongoing fabs)
                        Last edited by straving2death; 04-27-2013, 04:34 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Oh, so you were just trolling rather than actually looking for scientific thought.... got it. Why didn't you just say so

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                            Low carb diets cause cortisol secretion among many other adverse effects(such as it being an inefficient process in which 6 molecules of ATP are needed before your body can create glucose to use) and excess cortisol causes bloating, weight gain, uneven body fat distribution, etc etc

                            Stress and body shape: stress-induced ... [Psychosom Med. 2000 Sep-Oct] - PubMed - NCBI
                            Stress-induced cortisol, mood, and fat distribution... [Obes Res. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
                            Low calorie dieting increases cortisol. [Psychosom Med. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
                            None of those back up your statement....all you've shown is that stress can cause a change in weight distribution and that dieting can be a stressor. What you need to find to back your stance is a low carb vs higher carb study where the calories, protein, and activity levels are constant showing that the low carb group has a proportionately statistically significant worse change in H/W ratio. If you can't find this study then you may have to redefine what you think you know about the biochemical draw backs of low carb dieting.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                              Personally I like to think of what I eat as the modern hunter/gatherer diet: So here is a general analysis of what they eat in macro terms....
                              That's the best study I've seen, but that link didn't show the tables.

                              See pg 689 of the link below for the macro tables (35/65 plant/animal to 65/35 plant/animal mixes). But his frequency tables on pg 684 seem to show most tribes were heavier on the animal side. You need to take into consideration how fat the animals are...and that gives you the appox macro nutrient breakdown.

                              In situations where they ate a lot of animal, but animals with low body fat, they got as much as 50% protein. With animals of high body fat it was 60% fat. Basically there is no one perfect human macro formula, lots of different diets that can work, as long as it's not 100% plant!!!

                              http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/3/682.full.pdf

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