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    I feel quite angry really and taken in that this dietary information isn't more readily available.I have pancreatic diabetes which is a bit like type 1 and a bit like type 2. someday i produce some insulin, some days a lot and some days virtually none. As you can imagine its hard to control. when i was developing the cancer it became very hard to control ,even more so when I had the first surgery. So i took expert advice, saw a nutritionist
    (specialist in diabetes and hormonal disorders,nhs not a quack) and was given a plan which i stuck to... completely not a cheat in sight honestly.
    improvement you'd imagine... no. Blood sugar just as unstable and i gained 2lb a week. wasnt happy with that but wanted to get healthier so stuck with it. first review at 4 weeks -determined i wasnt eating enough - added in 2 snacks .1 midmorning 1 bedtimes. balanced carbs so they were identical every time i ate.blood sugar remained the same ,weight gain just over 2lbs a week. I was also hungry all the bloody time. Diet mainly carbs by this point. . Cancer came back in another place. 2nd surgery was dreadful. wound slow to heal and got infected. put on insulin but spent a lot of time on a glucose drip as blood sugar so low.gained weight. discharged myself. oncology surgeon unhappy , referred me to oncology nutritionist , looked at my diet .his 1st comment "wheres your protein?" still in the f...ing cow was my response. he determined my high carb diet based on flour was bad for my cancer and just as bad for my pancreas and oestrogen.recommended increasing protein decreasing carbs,.
    i found the less carbs i ate the less hungry i felt- how odd thinks me- found this site while researching this phenomena. 3rd sugery went much better ,good healing; no infection; glucose more stable. discussion with oncology nutritionist who said you dont actually need any processed carbs-ie bread,pasta,cereals, we just eat them because we like them and they're convenient.
    i asked him why his advice was so different. "Oh i work with the terminally ill and come across a lot of crackpot diets. i have to guide people to what their body needs so I can discuss unconvential diets and improve them without trashing someones beliefs"
    Im glad i saw this guy but why do you have to wait till you're dying. wouldn't it make more sense for the living?
    Last edited by CarbDodger; 04-27-2013, 04:27 AM.
    When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
    27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
    new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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    Sounds like you found yourself a wonderful nutritionist. I agree with your general sentiment and I'm sorry it took you getting so ill to discover things like "i found the less carbs i ate the less hungry i felt". Yes, it is very frustrating. Part of the problem is that so many doctors also eat/follow the standard diet/conventional wisdom, without really questioning why. Another part of the problem is that if people were able to heal themselves there would be much less need for many kinds of doctors. Many doctors are less interested in curing and more interested in disease management, unfortunately. No money in their pockets for curing, only for maintaining.
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    • #3
      I really feel for you going through such an ordeal. I get the frustration/anger part... If you're like me, then you feel played and lied to at the risk of your health and quality of life. My situation is not nearly as dramatic as yours, but is similar in that had I not changed my eating, your story could be mine in time. I too wish I had come across this way of eating/living years ago. At least we have the information now and can use it to better our situations. I wish you all the best in improving your health.
      "Wild cats look their best when they're hungry, so do you." - Ori Hofmekler

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      • #4
        Unfortunately the answer to "why?" has to be "follow the money". The system is corrupted by those who stand to financially benefit by incorrect information being conventional wisdom.

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        • #5
          This is gonna sound really mean but I find the nutrition/dietary profession so very bizarre. Their names are followed by a bunch of impressive acronyms and they're given extensive media space for their sermons, but it's the most glassy-eyed incurious recitation of the same text books I remember reading in middle school. When confronted with actual data they kind of cock their head to the side like a dog trying to understand English.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by picklepete View Post
            This is gonna sound really mean but I find the nutrition/dietary profession so very bizarre. Their names are followed by a bunch of impressive acronyms and they're given extensive media space for their sermons, but it's the most glassy-eyed incurious recitation of the same text books I remember reading in middle school. When confronted with actual data they kind of cock their head to the side like a dog trying to understand English.
            They were just formulating the first food pyramid when I was at middle school age. We were told to eat meat, vegetables, fruit, etc. Square meals.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
              They were just formulating the first food pyramid when I was at middle school age. We were told to eat meat, vegetables, fruit, etc. Square meals.
              I'm jealous. My school cafeteria had all these prominent government seals of approval but served only non-perishable pabulum. The fruit was gas station quality and hidden behind the Little Debbies.
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              • #8
                I feel your pain.

                It's frustrating to know that the nutritional information that we learn from Mark and others who are pushing the "primal" way of eating isn't the widely recommended diet. All we can do is try to spread the word and hope that it sticks. The government's dietary recommendations flat-out suck, there's no question about it, and it is what most doctors base their nutritional advice on.

                Just the harsh reality.

                Jake
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                • #9
                  That's appalling, no wonder you are angry.

                  Thankyou for your rant and I am so glad you are now eating this way and experiencing improvements. Good for you.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CarbDodger View Post
                    "Oh i work with the terminally ill and come across a lot of crackpot diets. i have to guide people to what their body needs so I can discuss unconvential diets and improve them without trashing someones beliefs"
                    This is a very good expression of the situation. From many stories here it's apparent that only Cancer doctors and practicioners are allowed opinions and views that differ from the "Conventional Wisdom" (CW) of the Fed. Gov't, FDA, USDA, NIH, CDC, Big Pharma, Big Agi, etc.

                    Most of us are here because of situations similar to yours, most not involving cancer, but they can be equally deadly. Autoimmune diseases, taken as a whole, are the third leading cause of death, after heart disease and cancer. In addition, last year 282,000 Americans died of the side-effects of drugs. That's side-effects, not the disease for which they were given.

                    My anger is lessening now as I come to accept the fact that corruption in our Gov't and it's health system is so complete that nothing is going to change it im my lifetime.
                    Last edited by Cryptocode; 04-27-2013, 02:02 PM.
                    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                    • #11
                      BTW I should say it was the diabetic regime not the low carb he thought was crackpot
                      When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
                      27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
                      new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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                      • #12
                        CarbDodger, that's awful! I'm glad you found your way to primal. Best of luck on your journey

                        I'm going to be the cynical newbie here! I think that people want to believe that governments and Big Agra are looking out for their best interests. Developing a better understanding of your national food agency and multinationals like Monsanto is kind of scary, especially if you don't know what to do or where to go next.

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                        • #13
                          Read Ray Peat:
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                          • #14
                            Well, CarbDodger, the good news is that if you aren't terminally ill you'll probably gain your health back and feel better than you ever have before. But if you are terminally ill, you'll at least probably feel a lot better in your remaining days and perhaps even gain a little more time on earth. Good luck to you.
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                              My anger is lessening now as I come to accept the fact that corruption in our Gov't and it's health system is so complete that nothing is going to change it im my lifetime.
                              I am more optimistic than you. If anything, it seems that primal-ish stuff is catching on. Dr. Oz. Wheat Belly. Omni Diet. Gluten-free. Doctors slowly changing their minds about deit when their patients come in 20 pounds lighter. Weight Watchers toning down the carbs. Primals preaching to their friends. I don't think the processed food industry can hold this back forever.
                              5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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