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  • #16
    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
    Because they're high in calories and unnecessary for life. 8 oz of cashews has about 1280 calories. I can feed myself for a whole day on 1280 calories and eat beef, butter, veggies, etc. I think of nuts as bar food.
    I see nuts as travel food, for that day that starts at 4:00am and doesn't end until long after what would have been dinner time.

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    • #17
      As others have said, macadamias are better nutritionally than other nuts but I still wouldn't advise too many - not easy to resist, I know - because they're packing a lot of calories.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
        How it works is, by the time you are halfway through the jar, you say, "That was probably enough." Then you finish the jar anyway.
        Yes. With macadamias, that is exactly how it works.
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        • #19
          Yep toxins/omega6 etc. etc...
          Also two handfuls can be 20% (1/5th) or your daily energy requirements - easy to over eat and put on weight.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
            Yep toxins/omega6 etc. etc...
            Also two handfuls can be 20% (1/5th) or your daily energy requirements - easy to over eat and put on weight.
            I don't think so. Two handfuls of macadamias can easily be 1000 calories, far more than 20% of anyone's requirements. It's amazing how much energy is packed into those little fat bombs.

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            • #21
              I stay away because I can eat a handful just fine but if I eat too much my face breaks out in horrible acne. Probably all the PUFA. Vegetable oils do a number on me too.
              A handful a day is fine or seasonally (summer, also green almonds are delicious in early spring with some salt), but I wouldn't go overboard with the snacking and using all those nut flours excessively.
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              • #22
                Don't be like them unhealthy hunter/gatherer tribes that get the majority of their calories from meat and nuts!

                http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/dcr...lee_chap_4.pdf

                1365 calories a day from the Monongo nut (which the go to great effort to collect)
                690 calories from meat
                300 calories from plant

                Approximately 60% animal and nut by weight to 40% plant..... Interesting little read.

                Of course the caloric density complaint is a double edge sword. For HG's caloric density is a necessity in food choice. This may not be so for us, but I would question any presumption of these foods being unhealthy based on a reductionistic account of PUFA levels alone.
                Last edited by Neckhammer; 05-05-2013, 07:44 AM.

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                • #23
                  This is the correct answer! I should know. I made myself quite sick by eating foods high in anti nutrients. I've been ill for 4 or 5 years and am just coming out of the dark on what happened. In a nutshell: The purpose of anti nutrients is to arrest biological activity of bacteria and fungus. Period. If you look at fruits, for the most part the fruits with the highest levels of these anti nutrients are grown in northern humid climes where fungus is the enemy. So these plants develop (mostly in their skins) the ability to suppress the growth of fungus. Seeds and nuts contain substances to arrest biological activity. I call them growth inhibitors. This is so the seed doesn't sprout prematurely. When conditions are right and the seed has been rinsed, biological activity begins. I thought I was fixing my diet by eating lots of the most nutrient rich foods I could. Well, something went wrong. With me anyway. First came chronic Epstein. Not too bad really, but annoying. Then recently came not being able to overcome a bacterial infection. Going downhill. So, what I figure, but haven't quite figured out yet is that I put all these anti "biotics" in my gut, lowering biological activity in my gut. I also believe inflammation begins in the gut. The thing about inflammation is that people think it's "BAD". What I learned is that there is an ideal amount of inflammation to have. Not enough, you're sick. Too much, you're sick.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                    Don't be like them unhealthy hunter/gatherer tribes that get the majority of their calories from meat and nuts!

                    http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/dcr...lee_chap_4.pdf

                    1365 calories a day from the Monongo nut (which the go to great effort to collect)
                    690 calories from meat
                    300 calories from plant

                    Approximately 60% animal and nut by weight to 40% plant..... Interesting little read.

                    Of course the caloric density complaint is a double edge sword. For HG's caloric density is a necessity in food choice. This may not be so for us, but I would question any presumption of these foods being unhealthy based on a reductionistic account of PUFA levels alone.
                    Those unhealthy hunter gatherers do hunt and gather....it's easier not to overeat nuts when you have to forage for them outside of a grocery store.
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                    • #25
                      When we started primal'ish, my wife and I would have nuts every day (first month or so) but after reading more, understanding more and fine-tuning our habits, we got rid of these daily nuts by doing the following:

                      - during a meal, eat first the most nutritious foods (organs, meats, healthy fats, with a few veggies) then, if you are still hungry after that, anything approved primal that is not the foods just mentioned (some fat dairy, nuts, etc). Believe me, you won't really go crazy on these things once your stomach is full of liver / meats / butter / etc.

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                      • #26
                        I don't know if anyone's read The Warrior Diet, but Ori says to eat as many nuts as you want. He even goes so far as to say that you would probably lose weight if you just ate protein and nuts. I don't know if it's because of the one-meal and overnight digestion aspect or if he's totally off base. Thoughts? It seems a little hasty to completely dismiss nuts, seeing as how it was pretty much a staple food of hunters and gatherers while going throughout their day, looking for meat. I agree with Damiana, though, it wasn't as if they were coming across giant bags of almonds in the forest...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by purple579 View Post
                          It seems a little hasty to completely dismiss nuts, seeing as how it was pretty much a staple food of hunters and gatherers while going throughout their day
                          My guideline is to keep a bold line between fill-up foods and flavor foods. I put all plant seeds including nuts in the latter category which means I'll use them for garnish or dessert. I do appreciate their vitamin/mineral value.

                          For me at least, short-term satiety is all about the weight of the food. Nuts are far too light (H2O fraction ~5%) so the amount required to satiate me would be a major energy excess. They might provide long-term satiety after the body realizes what it's digesting but then I'd worry about the displacing effect since I feel better on "steak and potato" fuel.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Damiana View Post
                            Those unhealthy hunter gatherers do hunt and gather....it's easier not to overeat nuts when you have to forage for them outside of a grocery store.
                            I don't think I understand your logic..... Most on here are complaining that nuts are to dense in calories and eating too much as part of your diet may in some way be detrimental. By most peoples terms this HG tribe is overeating nuts to the tune of 1365 calories per day. They actually purposely travel past many other sources of nutrition (fruit trees and such) to get to this particular grove of nut trees. Its "optimal" to them...I just question the anti-nut stance based on the PUFA or caloric density premises. Volumetric may still have a leg to stand on.

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                            • #29
                              Neckhammer, that's actually what I meant too. Those tribes actively work and walk to gather their food, so they're actually working off and making good use of the high caloric density that the nuts provide. The rest of us just stand in front of a pantry with a jar, munching away.
                              F 28/5'4/100 lbs

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                              • #30
                                Ahh... my bad.

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