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  • #91
    Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Fixed it for ya
    Lol.

    And shouldnt this be the steak, eggs and steroids diet?

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Zach View Post
      Lol.

      And shouldnt this be the steak, eggs and steroids diet?
      Nah, this was pioneered by Rocky Balboa and is what took him from street thug to Heavy Weight Champion of the World! Know your history.

      But seriously its like canuck said this is straight out of the 70's archives to getting strong and lean.

      People in bodybuilding today looking to get to 3% body fat may be doing some funky shit like Choco was talking about, but that low of bodyfat is not sustainable for more than a day anyhow.
      Last edited by Neckhammer; 04-26-2013, 12:46 PM.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Zach View Post
        Keep the fat non existent if you can. High carb + fat = instant fat gain.
        Ah thanks for the tip. Thats right, if I recall we burn our sugar off first....then the fat!

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
          Nah, this was pioneered by Rocky Balboa and is what took him from street thug to Heavy Weight Champion of the World! Know your history.

          But seriously its like canuck said this is straight out of the 70's archives to getting strong and lean.

          People in bodybuilding today looking to get to 3% body fat may be doing some funky shit like Choco was talking about, but that low of bodyfat is not sustainable for more than a day anyhow.
          Right cause Rocky was all natural, fighting juice up freakazoids.

          I agree it can work, Scott Abel keep many clients in a pretty lean state this way. Just that much protein might be counterproductive, remember when doing steroids, macros come into play much more then for natural lifters.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Z0oom View Post
            About the carb refeed day, what about fat content and all that. Should I smother my sweet potatoes in coconut oil or try to keep fat lower just on Sundays?
            You should keep fat as low as possible. The idea of a refeed is to eat a caloric surplus to refill your glycogen stores, boost circulating leptin and make you strong for the next week of workouts while boosting fat loss by said elevated leptin levels and a boosted thyroid. Any fat you eat along with the caloric surplus will be stored. You want as close to 0g of fat as possible. Skim milk, 0% yogurt, white rice, baked white potatoes, sweet fruits, very lean trimmed chicken breast, whitefish,egg whites with no yolks...these are perfect things for a refeed.

            For the record, if you keep fats <35g or so you should be fine. Lower is better, but the added stress over 5-10g probably isn't worth it.
            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
              Nah, this was pioneered by Rocky Balboa and is what took him from street thug to Heavy Weight Champion of the World! Know your history.

              But seriously its like canuck said this is straight out of the 70's archives to getting strong and lean.

              People in bodybuilding today looking to get to 3% body fat may be doing some funky shit like Choco was talking about, but that low of bodyfat is not sustainable for more than a day anyhow.
              I was only around 9-10%. That was too low. Too many food cravings. My stability point seems to be about 12%, so I roll with it these days. Right now my winter coat has me around 13-14% but I'll drop to 11-12% for the summer pretty soon.
              Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                You should keep fat as low as possible. The idea of a refeed is to eat a caloric surplus to refill your glycogen stores, boost circulating leptin and make you strong for the next week of workouts while boosting fat loss by said elevated leptin levels and a boosted thyroid. Any fat you eat along with the caloric surplus will be stored. You want as close to 0g of fat as possible. Skim milk, 0% yogurt, white rice, baked white potatoes, sweet fruits, very lean trimmed chicken breast, whitefish,egg whites with no yolks...these are perfect things for a refeed.

                For the record, if you keep fats <35g or so you should be fine. Lower is better, but the added stress over 5-10g probably isn't worth it.
                Absolutely agree with CocoTaco on his refeed recommendations. Thanks for the input!
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                  April results are in and I'm pumped up. "Steak and eggs" just started this week, so whatever impact that will have, will be reflected next month.

                  "InBody" Composition Analysis:
                  Dec - 190lb, 30% bodyfat, .94 hip/waist ratio (Mid-Dec)
                  Jan - 173lb, 20% bodyfat, .90 hip/waist ratio, +7.3lb lean mass
                  Feb - 174lb, 19% bodyfat, .89 hip/waist ratio, +2.2lb lean mass
                  Mar - 172lb, 17% bodyfat, .88 hip/waist ratio, +0.4lb lean mass
                  Apr - 170lb, 16% bodyfat, .88 hip/waist ratio, +1.1lb lean mass

                  YTD - 28lbs fat lost, 11lbs lean mass gained, 1lb "mineral" lost, net change lost 18lbs. *

                  * Based on electrode analysis using an InBody machine, it is supposed to be one of the more accurate methods available...and I'm not going to argue with results since they pass the "makes sense" test. The only number I was shocked at was the +7lb lean mass in 6wks when switching to "paleolithic" nutrition. Breaking it down the machine said intra/extra-celular water stayed roughly the same and "protein" category increased 8lbs. So all I can guess is that skeleton/muscle jumped with the sudden massive boost in quality protein intake.

                  After that initial jump seem to be averaging 1lb muscle per month, plus some body fat reduction. Goal is to hit 12% BF and then hammer away on strength training, so lots more work in 2013. But I think "steak and eggs" plus 8x8 old school sets in May/June will help get there...
                  Very cool analysis, looking forward to your updates over the coming weeks.
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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                    What could possibly happen? There really are only 3 options.

                    1. It won't work for anyone. Okay, tried and discarded. One month sacrificed in the cause of knowledge.
                    2. It will work for some but not for others. Post-mortem time.
                    3. It will work for everyone. Bonus!
                    Perfect! Could not of said it better.
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                    • vince.png
                      Originally posted by Zach View Post
                      What oldschool advice is this?
                      Some history...

                      Vince Gironda was paleo before anyone had really defined paleo, perhaps 100yrs ahead of his time. Guessing he is one of the guys the original poster had in mind. Born in 1917, he was pretty much the #1 trainer in the history of the universe and trained a bunch of top guys in the 60/70s including Arnold, Larry Scott, Mohamed Makkawy, plus Hollywood dudes like Clint Eastwood, Denzel Washington, Gary Busy, Cher, Michael Landon, OJ Simpson, Carl Weathers. He was also a bad-ass himself (steroid-free).

                      He said he tried everything from 1x rep to 500x rep and kept coming back to 8x8 sets with very short rests in between, he said that was the way to get hard and lean, not some big blubber+muscle body. He was into the V-taper look; wide shoulders thin waist, and good proportions. Not into gross size for the sake of size.

                      He suggested eggs, meat, vegi, cream and butter. Stay away from carbs and sugar. Also into liver and organ meats. Some of his controversial quotes at the time were "body building is 85% nutrition" and "carbs are completely unnecessary for muscle". As well as "eating protein without fat is unnatural" and "don't eat carbs and fat in the same meal". He was very much against steroids. When people started with the "eggs give you heart attacks" crap he informed them it was sugar/carbs that gave people heart attacks. Smart dude, and he gave no explanations, so nobody really knows how he knew so much so early. My personal theory is he probably had a genius level IQ. He did a lot of self-experimentation and observations on 1000s of clients.

                      Anyhow, I just finished reading his book, which was to the point and excellent. He was ahead of his time then, thus I don't see any reason to assume he's not still ahead of his time now! Bring on the steak and eggs...

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                      • Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
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                        Some history...

                        Vince Gironda was paleo before anyone had really defined paleo, perhaps 100yrs ahead of his time. Guessing he is one of the guys the original poster had in mind. Born in 1917, he was pretty much the #1 trainer in the history of the universe and trained a bunch of top guys in the 60/70s including Arnold, Larry Scott, Mohamed Makkawy, plus Hollywood dudes like Clint Eastwood, Denzel Washington, Gary Busy, Cher, Michael Landon, OJ Simpson, Carl Weathers. He was also a bad-ass himself (steroid-free).

                        He said he tried everything from 1x rep to 500x rep and kept coming back to 8x8 sets with very short rests in between, he said that was the way to get hard and lean, not some big blubber+muscle body. He was into the V-taper look; wide shoulders thin waist, and good proportions. Not into gross size for the sake of size.

                        He suggested eggs, meat, vegi, cream and butter. Stay away from carbs and sugar. Also into liver and organ meats. Some of his controversial quotes at the time were "body building is 85% nutrition" and "carbs are completely unnecessary for muscle". As well as "eating protein without fat is unnatural" and "don't eat carbs and fat in the same meal". He was very much against steroids. When people started with the "eggs give you heart attacks" crap he informed them it was sugar/carbs that gave people heart attacks. Smart dude, and he gave no explanations, so nobody really knows how he knew so much so early. My personal theory is he probably had a genius level IQ. He did a lot of self-experimentation and observations on 1000s of clients.

                        Anyhow, I just finished reading his book, which was to the point and excellent. He was ahead of his time then, thus I don't see any reason to assume he's not still ahead of his time now! Bring on the steak and eggs...
                        Great insight thanks! I like the fit and atletic look for both men and women. I'm into peak performance and great health. My goal this month is to jump start the fat loss and add a bit of muscle. As far as bodybuilding goes I really like the physiques of the 70s, my favorite physique type was Frank Zane. Current bodybuilders look like pregnant cows with zero bodyfat, in other words, they look absolutely ridiculous. The 70′s bodybuilders were the ideal physique of man – they had low bodyfat, but not so low they looked sick, they had small waists with abdominals clearly defined, big chests, wide lats, big shoulders, and big arms. They had perfect V-tapers.
                        Last edited by canuck416; 04-26-2013, 03:47 PM.
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                        • Thanks for the history, KN. That was interesting.

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                          • I'm gonna give this a shot too. Been sort of primal for a couple years and strict primal since the end of January (stopped drinking then too) so seem to be well fat adapted and usually go hours without hunger, etc. Only thing is the weight loss is SLOW and muscle building seems to be nil.

                            Quick question though. I know most use this to "drop the last few pounds" but there's nothing wrong with doing it when you have multiple "last few" right? (sitting at 258 right now at 47 years old).

                            I have quite a bit of grassfed beef still in the freezer and a friend with about 30 hens who can't give the eggs away fast enough to keep up!

                            Anyone see any reason for me NOT to give this a shot?

                            Thanks,

                            Tom
                            Last edited by Navajo; 04-27-2013, 03:16 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by canuck416 View Post
                              Current bodybuilders look like pregnant cows with zero bodyfat, in other words, they look absolutely ridiculous.
                              Absolutely -- hadn't thought of it as prego cows, but that fits.

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                              • Meat chow down last night for inspiration...

                                Tenderloin and rib meat:
                                KoreanBBQ.jpg

                                Cow stomach (they were out of beef liver):
                                stomach.jpg

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