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  • Yes he did for body builders with comparitively low bodyfat percentages getting ready for contests. I chose a variation with a longer period to take into consideration the generally higher BF percentages of those on the Forum, myself included. It also was the choice time period of many body builders in the Venice Beach/World's Gym golden era.
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    • Originally posted by Theo911 View Post
      Isnt the refeed mandatory to reset leptin which controls starvation mode hormone or is that just when a person is in an extreme caloric deficit?
      Yes that is definitely the premise and one of the most important aspects of the refeed.
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      • Originally posted by Theo911 View Post
        Isnt the refeed mandatory to reset leptin which controls starvation mode hormone or is that just when a person is in an extreme caloric deficit?
        I think the leptin reset is a theoretical thing. How would you know it has happened, as opposed to other processes?

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        • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
          I think the leptin reset is a theoretical thing. How would you know it has happened, as opposed to other processes?
          Agreed, its definitely a theory and of course based on some real life results. But remember this is a trial to determine best practices including time between refeeds or whether refeeds are beneficial etc. That's why its great to get all the feedback from everyone highlighting their personal responses, adaptations and results.
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          • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
            I think the leptin reset is a theoretical thing. How would you know it has happened, as opposed to other processes?
            Twenty-four-hour leptin levels respond to cumulative short-term energy imbalance and predict subsequent intake.

            In this study, after only 24 hours of eating at 70% of their maintenance calorie levels, subjects experienced a 12% drop in leptin levels. This turned out to be important for their post-underfeeding rebound calorie intake.

            Here are quotes:

            " Leptin levels ... were restored (104 21% and 106 16%; not significant) only after subjects crossed-over to complementary dietary treatment that restored cumulative energy balance."

            This means that after eating at 70% of their maintenance levels, leptin balance was NOT restored by eating at 100%. Leptin was only restored when they were OVERFED for a period that resulted in a net energy balance for the duration of the underfeeding.

            "Leptin levels are acutely responsive to modest changes in energy balance. Because leptin levels returned to BASE only after completion of a complementary feeding period and restoration of cumulative energy balance, leptin levels reflect short-term cumulative energy balance. Leptin seems to maintain cumulative energy balance by modulating energy intake."

            So you must overfeed to restore leptin levels. Technically if we're "starving" ourselves for 6 days before a refeed (as some of us are doing on steak and eggs), then our leptin levels would only be restored if we ate enough to fully compensate for 6 days' worth of deficit calories, according to this study. But still, I think it's a good thing to have a surplus day once a week.

            Edited to add: only carbohydrate affects leptin levels. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11126336. That is why we must overfeed with carbohydrate and not just fat and protein to affect leptin levels.
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            • Originally posted by canuck416 View Post
              Agreed, its definitely a theory, part of why this is a trial to determine best practices including time between refeeds or whether refeeds are beneficial etc. That's why its great to get all the feedback from everyone highlight their personal responses and adaptations.
              I see it as a practical consideration to see if what we are doing has the desired effect. Even if it does and does so consistently, there is really no way that any of us could say it was due to leptin reset as opposed to eating mostly fatty meat or a carb day every week vs other frequencies. It's not something we are in any position to test rigorously. Isn't it true that there's really no way to test for leptin issues?

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              • You're bringing sexy back! Yeah!!! You get it....because you are showing your back.....and Justin Timberlake said that in his....

                Very awesome!

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                Things have been looking a little bit different every day. Today I asked my boyfriend if my shoulders looked larger, and he said, "definitely". Photographic evidence:



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                • I think instead of a full blown refeed I'm just going to go with an alternate protein day with some veggies and see how it goes...fruit and dark chocolate aren't going anywhere and will be there to reintroduce in moderation when I reach my goals...there doesn't seem to be much of an updside to a refeed and since I have only a little to lose, the water gain will demoralize me and is not really worth it.

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                  • Originally posted by aprimalmomma View Post
                    ...fruit and dark chocolate aren't going anywhere and will be there to reintroduce in moderation when I reach my goals...
                    This is how I feel about wine, cheese, and bacon.

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                    • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                      I see it as a practical consideration to see if what we are doing has the desired effect. Even if it does and does so consistently, there is really no way that any of us could say it was due to leptin reset as opposed to eating mostly fatty meat or a carb day every week vs other frequencies. It's not something we are in any position to test rigorously. Isn't it true that there's really no way to test for leptin issues?
                      Very true and I am not aware of any leptin issue tests, just anecdotal evidence from others sharing their experience. For me its all about peak performance and how I feel in my training. If I go for an extended period on a VLC diet of more than 6 days I have diminishing returns, progression stops and eventually muscle loss. Of course this is all a personal experience and not necessarily true for anyone else and may not even be important for those just trying to lose weight and not necessarily concerned about fitness performance.
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                      • So I made a big chuck roast in the oven. It turned out...okay, I gave it too much heat trying to brown it though.

                        So I decided to make a mayo for on top.

                        After breaking my emulsification 3 times, and wasting a few more precious yolks, I finally made an olive oil mayo that tastes like heaven. It reminds me more of a hollandaise because of all the yolk, but it tastes damn amazing.

                        Now if I can keep this stocked, I might be able to wean my family members off of storebought mayo and those bad oils.

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                        • Dropped 2lbs from last Friday, gonna refeed hard Saturday night/sunday (all-you-can-eat sushi!)

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                          • I changed my mind about ditching the refeed. Not that I really want or need the refeed, I just think the mental break is good for me. And I ended up 2 lbs lighter on the scale this morning (so I relost everything I gained last week plus one more lb, so as of now I have lost 4 lbs in 2 weeks) which isn't monumental but it's most likely 4 lbs that I wouldn't have lost otherwise. If nothing else this is a great plateau-buster. So....today is banana smoothie and chocolate covered strawberries day, and I'm looking forward to that!
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                            • Oh my god. These strawberries. I feel like Humphrey Bogart in The Caine Mutiny. I'm now obsessed. They're so sweet and juicy. Each one is dipped in all primal ingredients and each is the size of my palm. This is breakfast.

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                              • Originally posted by little vase View Post
                                Oh my god. These strawberries. I feel like Humphrey Bogart in The Caine Mutiny. I'm now obsessed. They're so sweet and juicy. Each one is dipped in all primal ingredients and each is the size of my palm. This is breakfast.
                                The local supermarket has a sale on strawberries this week, Two one-pound boxes for $2.50. I may have to buy 2 boxes and eat them both on Sunday.

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