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  • #76
    "Insulin has nothing to do with fat gain" is totally false, although it may be more applicable to those of use with disordered insulin responses. For us, insulin is a major factor in weight gain--or at least our body's release of too much insulin.

    I was morbidly obese my entire life--because I happen to be exceedingly sensitive to carbs (and the research indicates that my problem is shared by many of the long-term obese). If I eat carbs at a 'normal' rate of about 150-200g a day, my insulin spikes excessively high--which results in incredibly low blood sugar within 30 to 60 min. That, in turn, causes insatiable hunger--which results in overeating that causes the weight gain. Please don't blame the 'overeating' unless you've actually experienced this type of low-blood sugar hunger.

    When I was young, I wondered what was 'wrong' with me that I could be so hungry within an hour of a large dinner.

    In order to lose close to 200 lbs--and maintain a 'normal' weight for the first time in my life for the past 2 years--I have to keep my carbs to 20g a day. My body responds very well to this WOE (I suspect because it controls the over-production of insulin that stresses our bodies).

    And if anyone believes this is unhealthy, let me add that at age 71, the only Rx I need are my thyroid hormones (I'm hypo)--no meds at all. In addition, my endo does a full blood panel every 4 months, and my labs are superb.

    For me, and others like me, insulin definitely has 'something' to do with fat gain.

    I am not advocating my WOE for anyone else, but please don't make blanket statements as though we all fit some absolute standards.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by emmie View Post
      I am not advocating my WOE for anyone else, but please don't make blanket statements as though we all fit some absolute standards.
      Sometimes it seems like the "solution" we are being offered is that we should choose to become young, healthy athletic males.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by richard View Post
        it may be the healthiest way to eat, period.
        good luck
        Everything is bad for something - How do you feel today?

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        • #79
          Emmie, I couldn't agree more. 50 carbs is my maintenance range. Over 75 and I gain fat and pounds quickly as well as gaining big hunger signals. At 62 I really wish I had understood all of this when I was seven and started gaining fat. The good news is no longer being morbidly obese and knowing that my next 30 years will be much healthier.

          I'm battling 4-5 pounds that I put on since taking a desk job last fall. Reading this thread is helping motivate me to keep carbs way down and get them off before they multiply.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by emmie View Post
            "Insulin has nothing to do with fat gain" is totally false, although it may be more applicable to those of use with disordered insulin responses. For us, insulin is a major factor in weight gain--or at least our body's release of too much insulin.

            I was morbidly obese my entire life--because I happen to be exceedingly sensitive to carbs (and the research indicates that my problem is shared by many of the long-term obese). If I eat carbs at a 'normal' rate of about 150-200g a day, my insulin spikes excessively high--which results in incredibly low blood sugar within 30 to 60 min. That, in turn, causes insatiable hunger--which results in overeating that causes the weight gain. Please don't blame the 'overeating' unless you've actually experienced this type of low-blood sugar hunger.

            When I was young, I wondered what was 'wrong' with me that I could be so hungry within an hour of a large dinner.

            In order to lose close to 200 lbs--and maintain a 'normal' weight for the first time in my life for the past 2 years--I have to keep my carbs to 20g a day. My body responds very well to this WOE (I suspect because it controls the over-production of insulin that stresses our bodies).

            And if anyone believes this is unhealthy, let me add that at age 71, the only Rx I need are my thyroid hormones (I'm hypo)--no meds at all. In addition, my endo does a full blood panel every 4 months, and my labs are superb.

            For me, and others like me, insulin definitely has 'something' to do with fat gain.

            I am not advocating my WOE for anyone else, but please don't make blanket statements as though we all fit some absolute standards.
            Well said and congrats to your weight loss. After being on a strict SAD diet and having no results, I found the LC world. What made LC most convincing, besides the experts, was reading through the forums and finding people that showed remarkable improvements in their health markers. The goal is to be healthy more than anything else. Yes having a six pack would be awesome, but if my tests come back and ultimately I feel great, nothing else really matters. It made sense to me, and therefore I decided to also try living a LC lifestyle (hate using this word). Although I've mixed and mashed different WOE over the past year, it has worked and I will continue eating in this manner. I agree that this may not be the best solution for everyone, but for me, the logic made sense. Lose weight, get healthy and feel great, all at the same time. It's was no brainer for me. Last, whether it's primal, paleo, atkins, rosedale, etc many of the concepts are similar, but the baseline is the same, which is to become healthy!!!
            Nutritional Ketosis Journal - http://dobnk.blogspot.com/ and http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83999.html

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            • #81
              today I had the first day without drinking butter tea first thing. I ate two eggs with half an avocado, 4 pieces of bacon, some bacon fat, then maybe a cup of almonds. Total protein about 35g, over the amount I wanted. I felt hungry after eating the eggs. Now I'm fine. I had some butter tea.

              The point of this thread is support for a reduced protein very low carb diet. I'm not saying that is the best WOE ever, or more than a temporary solution or test or experiment. I'm not saying it's the ultimate for anyone or everyone.

              It does seem true, though, from what I have read, that protein triggers an insulin response. Perfect example is this morning. I think had I started with butter tea, and had only one egg, I wouldn't have been hungry after breakfast.

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              • #82
                I tried low protein for a while, and it seems to work for me as long as I don't try to increase the intensity or volume of my exercise. Then WHAM! Suddenly I'm craving protein like crazy. I think my body just responds quickly to exercise stimulus to grow more muscle.

                I ran a mile 3 times this week, including once with sprints and once with steep hills. Yesterday I deloaded my bench press to start a new cycle and drastically increased my volume, and on the same day I did chinup-pullup exercises until I was sore. Then today I ran 3.6 miles at the fastest speed yet.

                I cooked a huge fatty pork steak, but while I was waiting for it to cook snacked on roast beef and cheddar cheese.

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                • #83
                  I had two shots of espresso with 1 tbsp of butter, 2 tbsp of mct oil and coconut oil. I typically drink my morning coffee with breakfast, eggs, meat, kale. But this morning had to run out the door. Still haven't eaten and feeling pretty damn good...sharp, focused, awake, and not hungry. I don't want to eat out and risk eating something that could throw me off, so i'm waiting to eat when I get home. I did feel a headache coming on but had a 1/4 teaspoon of salt with water, and headache's gone. Wasn't something I planned on, but it's working out better than I thought.

                  As for breakfast with eggs, I'm not feeling a craving for protein, but my breakfast is roughly 700-800 kcals and with my morning coffee, I'm feeling pretty satisfied and not wanting to eat till dinner time.

                  I did increase my workout duration and added hiking this week to my workout, which increased my overall intensity (my calves are sore), and didn't crave proteins. Although, i did eat more protein than typical. We had lamb chops...delicious and I couldn't resist having one more rib.
                  Nutritional Ketosis Journal - http://dobnk.blogspot.com/ and http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83999.html

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by richard View Post
                    today I had the first day without drinking butter tea first thing. I ate two eggs with half an avocado, 4 pieces of bacon, some bacon fat, then maybe a cup of almonds. Total protein about 35g, over the amount I wanted. I felt hungry after eating the eggs. Now I'm fine. I had some butter tea.

                    The point of this thread is support for a reduced protein very low carb diet. I'm not saying that is the best WOE ever, or more than a temporary solution or test or experiment. I'm not saying it's the ultimate for anyone or everyone.

                    It does seem true, though, from what I have read, that protein triggers an insulin response. Perfect example is this morning. I think had I started with butter tea, and had only one egg, I wouldn't have been hungry after breakfast.
                    Could you just eat the egg yolks then ?

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by dkJames View Post
                      Could you just eat the egg yolks then ?
                      yep, might try that.

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                      • #86
                        I haven't read all the posts, but I am curious-- what are your thoughts on how this diet might affect your thyroid?

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by girlhk View Post
                          I haven't read all the posts, but I am curious-- what are your thoughts on how this diet might affect your thyroid?
                          I don't think it will hurt my thyroid. I think there is a gender difference here (I'm male). And I think bodies are all different.

                          On a related note, I have had seasonal allergies this time of year, and they were bad, but they are almost gone today. Amazing. I attribute this to the fact that a highly ketogenic diet is very anti-inflammatory.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            So which is it Choco? You can't say this and then say that CICO is the only thing that matters. Talking out of both sides of your mouth again.
                            Once again, disagreeing with you =/= misinformation. Now, please, step off.
                            Can you argue without a strawman? CICO deals with weight. If you want to LOSE weight, you must expend more calories than you consume. Period. End of subject. This has nothing to do with body composition. Starvation dieting will suck more mass from your lean tissue than your fat, and overeating poor quality fats will tend to store more of those calories as body fat than lean mass. Fats in general are more likely to store as body fat in a caloric surplus than carbohydrate because it is a less anabolic fuel source. Insulin is very anabolic, which is why you'll see bodybuilders looking to gain weight overconsuming protein and carbohydrate, not fat. Fat in large surpluses just tends to...make you...fat.

                            Your argument is not a real argument. It's a fallacy.
                            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by emmie View Post
                              "Insulin has nothing to do with fat gain" is totally false, although it may be more applicable to those of use with disordered insulin responses. For us, insulin is a major factor in weight gain--or at least our body's release of too much insulin.
                              No it isn't. Insulin doesn't make anyone fat. It never has, it never will. What makes people fat is being sedentary and overeating. When you overconsume calories and you're not active, you're going to tend to store those calories as fat. If you want to be lean, you want to underconsume calories while you're sedentary and overconsume calories after intense physical activity. And you can't be too aggressive with either. The larger the calorie deficit, the more lean mass you tend to lose. The larger the calorie surplus, the more tends to store as fat.

                              Insulin has nothing to do with it, and it is one of the most crucial and beneficial hormones in your body.
                              Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                              • #90
                                Dude.....Chaco.....ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!! Whatever works for you, works for you and that is great. We have found something else that works. Live and let live, man.

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