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  • Hey Yogabare!

    You were probably not eating enough. I had a similar issue when I first tried vlc along with calorie counting 2 years ago.

    I weigh less than I did then & am having no problems, now that I have got things dialed in (eat to hunger, lowish protein, etc.)

    Have you read the Eade's posts about restarting vlc? I think I linked to them earlier in the thread.

    Everyone's different when it comes to ketosis. I am fine if I stay under 40 gm/day.

    If I do a bunch of exercise after eating more carbs, I will burn them and still stay in keto-land.

    ETA: you should check out the diet & bod on this keto gal--she is my current inspiration: http://archaeonova.blogspot.com/2013...t-fat-fat.html
    Last edited by Dragonfly; 06-11-2013, 11:57 AM.
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    • Today's food:

      Burger with cheese and pickles, limeade, chocolate butter, goats pâté
      Hot dog w/sauerkraut, white wine, sip of DH's beer, chocolate butter
      Last edited by Dragonfly; 06-11-2013, 05:33 PM.
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      • Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
        Hey Yogabare!

        You were probably not eating enough. I had a similar issue when I first tried vlc along with calorie counting 2 years ago.

        I weigh less than I did then & am having no problems, now that I have got things dialed in (eat to hunger, lowish protein, etc.)

        Have you read the Eade's posts about restarting vlc? I think I linked to them earlier in the thread.

        Everyone's different when it comes to ketosis. I am fine if I stay under 40 gm/day.

        If I do a bunch of exercise after eating more carbs, I will burn them and still stay in keto-land.

        ETA: you should check out the diet & bod on this keto gal--she is my current inspiration: LIFEXTENSION: What I Eat; Fat ≠ Fat
        Thanks for the headsup Dragonfly I ate quite a lot of cheese this morning (forgot how OTT American restaurants are with their toppings) with some potato and that knocked me out of ketosis but it's interesting to see that I can slide into it quite easily, and to notice the distinct change in mood. I don't intend on going back VLC (have thyroid issues so I know it's not wise to dabble), but I'll play with this lowering carbs thing a little more.
        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

        - Ray Peat

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        • Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
          Today's food:

          Burger with cheese and pickles, limeade, chocolate butter, goats pâté
          Hot dog w/sauerkraut, white wine, sip of DH's beer, chocolate butter
          Hey Dragonfly

          what kind of burgers and hot dogs are you eating, thinking no buns hehe but even the hot dog and burger?

          As i thought especially hot dogs were high in carbs
          Last edited by sting; 06-11-2013, 10:39 PM.

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          • Originally posted by sting View Post
            Hey Dragonfly

            what kind of burgers and hot dogs are you eating, thinking no buns hehe but even the hot dog and burger?

            As i thought especially hot dogs were high in carbs
            Local Grass fed burger, locally-produced hot dog.

            Buns? Are you kidding?

            All meat Hot dogs are under a gram of carbs.
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            • The hot dogs in the shops around here all have pretty high carbs hence why i thought i ask

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              • I eat grass fed hotdogs. The brand is Applegate - the great organic uncured hotdog I think it's called. A perfect 80% of calories as fat. Despite that I'm sure it isn't great to eat processed meat like this.

                But there are virtually no carbs in it.

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                • Yesterday night I took the leftover duck and made an authentic Thai curry. I used lemongrass, galangal, ginger, garlic, shallot, fish sauce, coconut milk, a serrano chile, some cayenne and cumin and coriander seeds fresh ground, and I also put in about a tablespoon of honey, lime juice and a bit of extra salt. Cooked the paste in coconut oil, then added coconut milk and the duck. It was superb. I could have used shrimp paste, I just realized, but I forgot.Garnished with a lot of chopped cilantro and a bit of chopped mint (didn't have basil).

                  A very high fat, low protein meal, that was absolutely out of this world.

                  This morning I'm having bacon and I had some butter tea.

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                  • Does VLC cause thyroid problems? This is something I haven't adequately researched.

                    This is interesting on that subject:

                    http://drcate.com/going-low-carb-too...one-imbalance/

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                    • Originally posted by richard View Post
                      Does VLC cause thyroid problems? This is something I haven't adequately researched.

                      This is interesting on that subject:

                      http://drcate.com/going-low-carb-too...one-imbalance/
                      The first time i went VLC i had lot of hair thinning and hair loss, so i stopped thinking maybe my body was saying this is not the right diet, and went back on more carbs and the hair stopped thinning, I'm pretty obese btw, i went on many starvation type diets previously where i had lots of my calories from veggies since they are low calorie foods and meat and stuff also carbs probably 20% 30% compared to VLC 5%, and didn't have hair thinning, so its interesting she talks about hair thinning in that article you posted. many on here and other forums have said its not because of VLC diet but starvation type diets and quick weight loss, but as i said i have done starvation type diets previously losing a lot more weight quicker without hair thinning, when eating lot more veggies and salad.
                      Last edited by sting; 06-12-2013, 07:35 AM.

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                      • Nice article, Richard. I'll see if I can find links to the other articles I've read that about thyroid and vlc. IIRC, the thyroid will naturally down-regulate with lower carbs, but it is not pathological, contrary to all the scare stories you read here.

                        I was already low carb when I went vlc the first time. My only issue then was lack of energy, since I was also over-restricting calories. I suspect some folk may have this experience and think they are hypothyroid.

                        This time, no issues at all since I am not counting calories. I am doing a 16/8 IF to help my body drop a few last pounds. Painless and plenty of energy!
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                        • Dragonfly I was restricting calories also 1500 - 1700 per day compared to my previous starvation diets which were about 1100 1200 per day but lots f salds and veggies which is not a lot of calories for me since i am pretty obese.

                          I started VLC again Friday


                          Protein 20%
                          Carbs 5% or less

                          and the rest from Fat but not counting calories this time.

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                          • I felt really crummy for a few weeks earlier when I started. I think in retrospect I should have been more gradual. But I'm fine now.

                            I try to really eat as much fat as possible and that helps a lot. And I've figured out that i need maybe 60g of protein a day. In the past with VLC I was eating far too much protein and it perpetuated my cravings for carbs and the adaptation process never really took hold.

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                            • I ate some bacon for breakfast and some butter tea. Only 3 or 4 slices of bacon and then I was full so I stopped.

                              In the past I would seriously have eaten almost the entire pound of bacon. Now I get clear signals that I don't want to eat anymore. The signals happen instantly rather than in 15 minutes. I think this is a sign of leptin sensitivity regained. We only get "full" signals 15 minutes after we're full (like I always used to) when we are leptin resistant.

                              Now the satiation feeling is immediate and I just stop eating. Easy peasy.

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                              • I should say something about my lifestyle here.

                                I weigh about 172 pounds now, and am 6' 1" (sorry metric types...I'm not there yet.) I'm in my early 50s and take ZERO medications.

                                I hit a peak of 205 somewhere a few years ago.

                                When I started VLC this time I was around 182 so I lost 10 pounds pretty easily and quickly never going hungry and never counting calories or restricting them in any way.

                                I sleep about 6 hours a night and never have trouble sleeping. I also am a breathing coach and I don't have clients but I have trained a lot of people in breathing which I think can cure a lot of disease. I practice that myself of course.

                                At the moment my health issues are:

                                1. A pulled tendon. I'm taking 50,000 IUs of D3 per day and K2 and A with that and it's gotten WAY better much faster than I or my doctor ever predicted.

                                2. Seasonal nasal allergies. Only get that now once a year. I was a terrible asthmatic and had horrible allergies all the time for my whole life until I discovered the breathing. The allergies are fading fast as summer approaches here, and I have found that a good dose of quercetin can work wonders for it.

                                3. Some residual gut issues. I was a psyillium fiber addict but now I'm off that. I still have a bit of leaky gut I'm sure.

                                4. I get post-domain muscle soreness headaches if I work out too far out of my comfort zone. So if I get sore I'll get this terrible headache that requires ibuprofen. Have spent many years working on this to little avail.

                                One thing on the above I think may be a key is thermogenesis. I take cold showers now, about 7 minutes at a time, and I think these help. I want to try cold baths or something like that but haven't gotten around to it.

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