Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Who's joining me? Very Low Carb - Low Protein - Support Thread

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
    I haven't tried IF, no. I'm a little wary of that because I don't want to trigger any binge behavior which I have trouble with in the past. IF never worked very well for me in the past. Maybe I will up the fat a bit. It's quite possible that I'm not eating enough. Only eating 1600 a day.
    in many studies they did IF for a bit and that got things going, but there may be reasons why that wouldn't work for everyone, that's for sure! 1600 isn't much. I was in ketosis but not feeling good. Are you in ketosis? If you are, then IF may be okay, but who knows, you know best and maybe it isn't good for you. But for me, I found that in ketosis, I still felt crappy, but the IF got things going and got me feeling good. Just a survey of one, doesn't mean much.

    Comment


    • Exercise a bit less, eat a bit more and relax a little on the carbs, you can go up to 50g, maybe even a bit more if you are doing exercise, some peoples body's just need a little more time to adapt than others.
      I don't think enough people consider where they are coming from, fully healthy it takes a couple of weeks, but if your starting point is back a few notches because of long term health conditions, then it could be months, so have a good listen to your body and it will tell you what's right.
      Bone broths are great, I just keep all roast bone fragments in a freezer container, then when there's enough I make up a big pot.
      Never used much salt in the past, but have increased my intake since going Paleo.
      "There are no short cuts to enlightenment, the journey is the destination, you have to walk this path alone"

      Comment


      • Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
        Feeling worse today. Stomach ache and very, very low energy. I really want to get through this tough spot but it's really hard.
        Sorry to hear you continue to be in this funk. Keep at it. Are you taking a multivitamin?
        Nutritional Ketosis Journal - http://dobnk.blogspot.com/ and http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83999.html

        Comment


        • Hi Marissa, I hope when you read this, you're feeling amazing!!

          Just to add a point re: IF, I've seen so many individuals modify it to meet their own needs. Eat one large meal a day or eat a couple of meals within a certain period of time and wait 14-18 hours for the next meal. I've seen some consider a 12 hour break between last and first meal IF. I just don't want you to think that IF is eating one meal a day.

          Currently, I eat two meals a day between 11-6. Since my meals are close together, i feel satisfied. It kind of happened naturally. I normally ate at the times we were conditioned to, but eventually I would wait an hour to see how I felt, which would turn into two and so on. At this time, two meals is my minimum. (don't know how anyone can eat just one meal, but that's just me).

          One thing to consider, our body's hunger signals can be mistaken for our body's need for water. After my last meal, I've experienced hunger, but a drink of water seems to do the trick. It really works for me.

          Regarding calories...if you feel like increasing it will make you feel better, give it a shot. Just increase calories systematically, 50 at a time, and stick with your ketosis protocols.

          Are taking a multivitamin? that might help.
          Nutritional Ketosis Journal - http://dobnk.blogspot.com/ and http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83999.html

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Steph1ani1e
            I want to get enough protein to be healthy.
            apparently the body doesn't use more protein or less protein very readily -- it's protein metabolism is pretty fixed it seems. At least in the shorter run and maybe for the longer run. So eating more protein isn't going to get you to use more.

            I think this is *the* issue with Atkins and low carb diets -- they haven't worked because we consume too much protein. Protein activates a lof of the same leptin and insulin and mTOR paths (don't I sound like I know what I'm talking about, lol)

            We can't store carbs as such, beyond maybe 20 hours or so of glyocogen, and we all know now that excess carbs are often stored as fat. And we know that we can store fat,

            But we don't store protein.

            One of the huge benefits of moderating protein is that the body's cells are more in a catabolic mode -- they are digesting their own excess protein and waste protein. This seems to have enormous benefit.

            This is autophagy defined as:
            Autophagy is the recycling of cytoplasmic components (including mitochondria, when the process is known as mitophagy) that are either dysfunctional or surplus to requirements by means of their engulfment by autophagic vacuoles that then fuse with lysosomes. Autophagy becomes particularly important during starvation of cells as a means to recycle amino acids for synthesis of critical proteins, and perhaps also to recycle cellular components for use as catabolic fuels.
            It is thought that autophagy down-regulation is associated with all sorts of problems. In the brain, with Altzheimers for instance. Autophagy is enormously helpful and to trigger it, we have to moderate both carbs AND protein. Protein beyond our body's immediate needs should not be consumed if we want our bodys to be more catabolic more often.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Omni View Post
              Exercise a bit less, eat a bit more and relax a little on the carbs, you can go up to 50g, maybe even a bit more if you are doing exercise, some peoples body's just need a little more time to adapt than others.
              I don't think enough people consider where they are coming from, fully healthy it takes a couple of weeks, but if your starting point is back a few notches because of long term health conditions, then it could be months, so have a good listen to your body and it will tell you what's right.
              Bone broths are great, I just keep all roast bone fragments in a freezer container, then when there's enough I make up a big pot.
              Never used much salt in the past, but have increased my intake since going Paleo.
              Thank you for the advice and support.

              Originally posted by dob View Post
              Sorry to hear you continue to be in this funk. Keep at it. Are you taking a multivitamin?
              Yes, I take a multi.

              Originally posted by dob View Post
              Hi Marissa, I hope when you read this, you're feeling amazing!!

              Just to add a point re: IF, I've seen so many individuals modify it to meet their own needs. Eat one large meal a day or eat a couple of meals within a certain period of time and wait 14-18 hours for the next meal. I've seen some consider a 12 hour break between last and first meal IF. I just don't want you to think that IF is eating one meal a day.

              Currently, I eat two meals a day between 11-6. Since my meals are close together, i feel satisfied. It kind of happened naturally. I normally ate at the times we were conditioned to, but eventually I would wait an hour to see how I felt, which would turn into two and so on. At this time, two meals is my minimum. (don't know how anyone can eat just one meal, but that's just me).

              One thing to consider, our body's hunger signals can be mistaken for our body's need for water. After my last meal, I've experienced hunger, but a drink of water seems to do the trick. It really works for me.

              Regarding calories...if you feel like increasing it will make you feel better, give it a shot. Just increase calories systematically, 50 at a time, and stick with your ketosis protocols.

              Are taking a multivitamin? that might help.
              At this point my meals are so small, around 400-500 cals each, so I'm eating three times a day, plus snack if I want/need it. I might consolidate two meals into one and see if that doesn't help me. I woke up feeling really hungry this morning, even after having dinner and a snack after dinner last night, which makes me think that it could just be an issue of calories, but still not sure. I will add a little bit and see how I feel in a few days, and I think I need to get in more veggies for some more carbs so I'm hitting at least 20g of carb a day. Some days are 10 or less, I don't do it on purpose, that's just how it happened to work out with the foods I had on hand, so that could be part of the issue too.

              Thanks everyone for the advice and support. I truly do appreciate it!!!

              Comment


              • and one more idea.

                Another thing that may help is MCT oil.

                MCT oil consumption leads to ketosis more easily and with a higher amount of protein and carbs, or so I've read. I have been drinking it in my butter tea, about 1 tablespoon each cup. Have to be careful about not consuming too much as it can leave me slightly nauseous, but it's a matter of building up.

                Things that lead to quicker keto adaptation may be:

                1. IF

                2. MCT oil

                3. resistance exercises (a LOT of people say this jump started them and got them over the initial hump -- I have been doing hot Yoga and perhaps that provides some of the same benefits -- can't lift right now due to a tendon injury)

                Comment


                • Originally posted by richard View Post
                  and one more idea.

                  Another thing that may help is MCT oil.

                  MCT oil consumption leads to ketosis more easily and with a higher amount of protein and carbs, or so I've read. I have been drinking it in my butter tea, about 1 tablespoon each cup. Have to be careful about not consuming too much as it can leave me slightly nauseous, but it's a matter of building up.

                  Things that lead to quicker keto adaptation may be:

                  1. IF

                  2. MCT oil

                  3. resistance exercises (a LOT of people say this jump started them and got them over the initial hump -- I have been doing hot Yoga and perhaps that provides some of the same benefits -- can't lift right now due to a tendon injury)
                  I don't have MCT oil, but I do consume a lot of coconut oil which has MCT's, right? I have been doing a lot more resistance exercise and walks instead of doing my cardio exercises, but have also still been doing my HIIT workouts twice a week. Maybe I should just do that once a week and keep the resistance and walking, I dunno. So far today feeling much, much better than yesterday. Going to have breakfast soon and then I'll see how I feel.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
                    I don't have MCT oil, but I do consume a lot of coconut oil which has MCT's, right? I have been doing a lot more resistance exercise and walks instead of doing my cardio exercises, but have also still been doing my HIIT workouts twice a week. Maybe I should just do that once a week and keep the resistance and walking, I dunno. So far today feeling much, much better than yesterday. Going to have breakfast soon and then I'll see how I feel.
                    that is GREAT news about feeling better. That's exactly how it worked for me.

                    I find walking is always great, and then some resistance exercises (or in my case hot Yoga) is very helpful. It makes HUGE metabolic changes. While more than that in terms of intense exercise can increase cortisol levels and not be so good.

                    Coconut oil contains capric and caprylic acid which are the fatty acids that are MCTs. This seems pretty good about MCT:

                    Article 10612-Coconut Oil and Medium-Chain Triglicerides

                    but MCT oil is 100% those while coconut oil is supposedly 2/3 MCTs. Coconut oil is fine, maybe better than MCT as it has a lot of other good stuff in it!

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by richard View Post
                      that is GREAT news about feeling better. That's exactly how it worked for me.

                      I find walking is always great, and then some resistance exercises (or in my case hot Yoga) is very helpful. It makes HUGE metabolic changes. While more than that in terms of intense exercise can increase cortisol levels and not be so good.

                      Coconut oil contains capric and caprylic acid which are the fatty acids that are MCTs. This seems pretty good about MCT:

                      Article 10612-Coconut Oil and Medium-Chain Triglicerides

                      but MCT oil is 100% those while coconut oil is supposedly 2/3 MCTs. Coconut oil is fine, maybe better than MCT as it has a lot of other good stuff in it!
                      I will up the resistance exercises and see how I feel. Admittedly, I have done a bit of cardio still. Old habits are hard to break, but I think I'm coming to terms with the fact that it really isn't helping me at all right now.

                      Just had a breakfast of 600 cals instead of my usual 400-500. So far right now feeling good.

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
                        I will up the resistance exercises and see how I feel. Admittedly, I have done a bit of cardio still. Old habits are hard to break, but I think I'm coming to terms with the fact that it really isn't helping me at all right now.

                        Just had a breakfast of 600 cals instead of my usual 400-500. So far right now feeling good.
                        Yeah, this is really great news. I'm thrilled. It is a good trend.

                        One thing I have noticed recently is I just focus better. And I don't find my brain shutting down as often. It's strange but things that I had trouble keeping my eyes open for don't put me to sleep that way anymore.

                        I'm reading The Longevity Project by Friedman and Martin. About the long lived people in this fascinating 60 year study. And the conclusions are like this:

                        1. Being active in your middle age is a great predictor of lasting health

                        2. Activity meaning things you enjoy -- walking, hiking, gardening, whatever. But not the "tons of cardio" or "jogging" that people think they need. Actually that doesn't help much at all.

                        Beyond that, I do think there is evidence that occasional intense but short bouts of exercise are wonderful for us. In my Yoga class we have some really intense poses that drive my heart rate up near maximum. But they don't last very long. And I find great benefit as I went on a 5 hour difficult hike and with only 3 times a week Yoga I was able to hold my own (although very sore for 3 days afterwards).

                        I also stand up when I work much of the time. I have a standing desk and I only sit when I am doing intense creative work. I think a lot of low level activity coupled with occasional bouts of intense exercise are a great way to live.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by MarissaLinnea View Post
                          I will up the resistance exercises and see how I feel. Admittedly, I have done a bit of cardio still. Old habits are hard to break, but I think I'm coming to terms with the fact that it really isn't helping me at all right now.

                          Just had a breakfast of 600 cals instead of my usual 400-500. So far right now feeling good.
                          SO glad you're feeling better. Tweak, adjust, adapt, and you'll find your zone. Happy for you!
                          Nutritional Ketosis Journal - http://dobnk.blogspot.com/ and http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83999.html

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by richard View Post
                            that is GREAT news about feeling better. That's exactly how it worked for me.

                            I find walking is always great, and then some resistance exercises (or in my case hot Yoga) is very helpful. It makes HUGE metabolic changes. While more than that in terms of intense exercise can increase cortisol levels and not be so good.

                            Coconut oil contains capric and caprylic acid which are the fatty acids that are MCTs. This seems pretty good about MCT:

                            Article 10612-Coconut Oil and Medium-Chain Triglicerides

                            but MCT oil is 100% those while coconut oil is supposedly 2/3 MCTs. Coconut oil is fine, maybe better than MCT as it has a lot of other good stuff in it!
                            Richard is always giving great advice and I agree MCT Oil is amazing. If I could add one thing..it's that MCT oil can be difficult to tolerate for some. So if you decide to try it, start slow and add incrementally.
                            Nutritional Ketosis Journal - http://dobnk.blogspot.com/ and http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83999.html

                            Comment


                            • one thing I have noted is if I consume fat too fast I get queasy. I consumed an avocado pretty fast and I don't feel that great. I have to eat more slowly and be more careful about fat as it is taking my digestion some time to catch up.

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by richard View Post
                                one thing I have noted is if I consume fat too fast I get queasy. I consumed an avocado pretty fast and I don't feel that great. I have to eat more slowly and be more careful about fat as it is taking my digestion some time to catch up.
                                I don't have the same problem with avocados, but I do with fat in general. i tend to do better when I eat my fat with meals.
                                Nutritional Ketosis Journal - http://dobnk.blogspot.com/ and http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread83999.html

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X