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  • Are ALL saturated fats good for you?

    I had been under the impression for while that all saturated fats are good for you. But a lot of people seem to think that some saturated fats are beneficial and some have negative health effects. For example, I read that Palmitic acid is "extremely damaging" and is second only to trans fats in the amount of negative health effects it has. The problem is, I can't seem to find a list of these on the internet? and given that the majority of people still think saturated fats cause heart disease it's hard to find somebody who knows the truth about saturated fats and heart disease, but can give an unbiased opinion.

    Palmitic acid, for example, is the major fatty acid in normal lung surfactant. Palmitic acid is also called the stem fatty because it is the de novo fatty acid made in the body from acetyl-CoA. Palmitic acid is the most common saturated fatty acid, with Butter, chicken (including the skin), cocoa butter, lard, and beef tallow all containing approximately 25 to 26 percent palmitic acid. Human breast milk is approximately 20-25% palmitic acid.

    18 carbon monounsaturated fat is oleic acid, the dominant fat in olive oil - and the dominant fat in butter. The palmitic acid that man eats can end up as oleic because the liver and other tissues can convert palmitic acid into oleic acid - as needed - to maintain "desirable physiological balances."
    All cell membranes contain fatty bi-layers. Overload on olive oil and your body will simply convert any excess monounsaturated fat into saturated palmitic or stearic acid.

    So it seems illogical to think that it is "extremely damaging" considering human breast milk is 20-25% palmitic acid, it the stem fatty acid made by the body, and we convert excess carbohydrate, protein and monounsaturated fats into palmitic and stearic acid.

    Now, given that we know now that high total cholesterol, and high LDL cholesterol are not strong indicators for heart disease, the fact that palmitic acid may or may not (depending on which fats it is consumed with) raise cholesterol is irrelevant. The only other negative health effect I can think of is it may slightly increase insulin resistance (again depending on many variables.) But to a healthy, active individual this isn't a problem, because a healthy active individual will already have high insulin sensitivity.

    So, does anybody with any knowledge on the subject have an opinion on if any other saturated fats have negative health effects, or is it all out-of-date pseudoscience from the 70's and 80's?
    Last edited by Lukey; 04-23-2013, 03:34 AM.

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    There's an awful lot of bad science out there from the 70s and 80s, and even still more being done right now.

    Eat more cocoa butter. Chocolate is the food of the gods.

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    • #3
      Think about it. Millions of years of evolution have us storing excess energy in a dangerous form (palmitic acid). I think not
      Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

      Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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      • #4
        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
        There's an awful lot of bad science out there from the 70s and 80s, and even still more being done right now.

        Eat more cocoa butter. Chocolate is the food of the gods.
        Totally agree, and yes chocolate definately is the food of the gods.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by peril View Post
          Think about it. Millions of years of evolution have us storing excess energy in a dangerous form (palmitic acid). I think not
          Exactly my point. It's nonsensical to avoid them considering your body makes them anyway.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
            There's an awful lot of bad science out there from the 70s and 80s, and even still more being done right now.

            Eat more cocoa butter. Chocolate is the food of the gods.

            Can confirm I eat chocolate.
            Dark chocolate and coffee, running through my veins...

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            • #7
              I don't think evolution would have selected for milk that would harm offspring.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Chupo View Post
                I don't think evolution would have selected for milk that would harm offspring.
                Agreed, but I would like to see the supposed negative health effects and see if I can see if they are justified by proper scientific studies. Maybe I would be best sending this to mark.
                Last edited by Lukey; 04-23-2013, 11:52 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lukey View Post
                  Agreed, but I would like to see the supposed negative health effects and see if I can see if they are justified by proper scientific studies. Maybe I would be best sending this to mark.
                  Then google your little heart out and READ the studies...
                  "negative health effects of palmitic acid" "scholarly studies"
                  BOOM!
                  negative health effects of palmitic acids - Google Scholar

                  Or do you think that someone should do that for you too?

                  Also, you do realize that your original post was asking for an OPINION on this subject right, supposedly based on what those people had already read/learned on the subject...
                  People did give you their opinions.
                  You didn't state that you expected an opinion along with a educational lecture on the topic.
                  Last edited by cori93437; 04-23-2013, 12:08 PM.
                  “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                  ~Friedrich Nietzsche
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                    Then google your little heart out and READ the studies...
                    "negative health effects of palmitic acid" "scholarly studies"
                    BOOM!
                    negative health effects of palmitic acids - Google Scholar

                    Or do you think that someone should do that for you too?

                    Also, you do realize that your original post was asking for an OPINION on this subject right, supposedly based on what those people had already read/learned on the subject...
                    People did give you their opinions.
                    You didn't state that you expected an opinion along with a educational lecture on the topic.
                    Ok. First of all, I have tried to do this many times, but I can't find any studies that aren't related to serum cholesterol and the negative effects of saturated fatty acids, not just negative health effects in isolation from serum cholesterol levels.

                    Secondly, Where exactly did you get the idea that i was unhappy with their opinions? I agreed with all of them and I just expressed I was looking for a scientific opinion as well.

                    And thirdly, for what it matters, I actually did write "So, does anybody with any knowledge on the subject have an opinion on if any other saturated fats have negative health effects."

                    I wasn't saying his opinion was wrong or he wasn't in the right to post it. I was simply expressing that I should also send this to Mark, for his opinion (which is more science based) as well as have people's opinion on here.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lukey View Post
                      Agreed, but I would like to see the supposed negative health effects and see if I can see if they are justified by proper scientific studies. Maybe I would be best sending this to mark.
                      "Agreed, BUT... "

                      This implies that what you were given just wasn't enough, and that people needed to do more to satisfy your needs/specifications. Which seems pretty rude...
                      “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                      ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                      And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                        "Agreed, BUT... "

                        This implies that what you were given just wasn't enough, and that people needed to do more to satisfy your needs/specifications. Which seems pretty rude...
                        "This implies that what you were given just wasn't enough"

                        "people needed to do more to satisfy your needs/specifications. Which seems pretty rude..."

                        Look at what you are writing. It's an internet thread. You are making it out as if I personally insulted him. I'm sorry if you took this the wrong way, but I genuinely was happy with his opinion and was expressing a desire for a more scientific answer. You can't assume over the internet that I was unhappy with the answer or it "just wasn't enough " simply due to the word "but" in my reply. It seems to me like you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. I would rather not turn this thread into a petty argument and would prefer to continue the discussion.
                        Last edited by Lukey; 04-23-2013, 01:03 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Check out the right hand bar and look under posts for Plamitic acid.

                          Hyperlipid: Palmitic acid: the horror never ends

                          Plenty of studies showing its evil! Particularly some stuff about it causing insulin resistance. But, as usual Peter logically refutes these and offers additional studies to back his stance. Fun stuff.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            Check out the right hand bar and look under posts for Plamitic acid.

                            Hyperlipid: Palmitic acid: the horror never ends

                            Plenty of studies showing its evil! Particularly some stuff about it causing insulin resistance. But, as usual Peter logically refutes these and offers additional studies to back his stance. Fun stuff.
                            Thanks! that's exactly the sort of thing I was looking for, much appreciated.

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                            • #15
                              I highly recommend this book for the ultimate definitive guide to fats:

                              Know Your Fats : The Complete Primer for Understanding the Nutrition of Fats, Oils and Cholesterol: Mary G. Enig: 9780967812601: Amazon.com: Books

                              Also this post by Mark is a good general one and includes some good resource links.
                              The Definitive Guide to Fats | Mark's Daily Apple
                              Last edited by Paleobird; 04-23-2013, 01:44 PM.

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