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  • #46
    Hi YB. My brain is not coping with science this morning, so I have nothing but experience to offer you.

    I had my bloods done a year ago and was called back in. I love my GP, she is very up-to-date with women's mental health and has been very important to me over the last few years, even not charging me for about 4 of them when I couldn't afford to see her.

    However, my cholesterol was slightly higher than normal (after about 6 months primal) and she spoke of it as if I was dying. She suggested statins and gave me some handouts on how to incorporate lots of healthy whole grains into my diet. I just took it and smiled graciously. She also asked what exercise I enjoyed, when I told her weight lifting, she suggested some jogging instead

    I don't see the point in trying to convince her, I'm due a whole load of tests again soon, I'm interested to see if they've changed but not interested in her advice. But I'll keep her because I like her and in so many other ways she's a gem.

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    • #47
      I didn't read through all of this, so forgive me if this repeated:

      Were you careful of what you ate the day of and before your test? Eating fat prior to a cholesterol test can make the results high.
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      • #48
        FWIW, it was only after a major stroke at age 53 that my cholesterol levels were checked. They almost gave my GP a heart attack on the spot. They were 10.4 and I was put on stains immediately. They caused such pain right from the start that I'd rather be dead; so after a double blind test showed that I was, indeed, sensitive to statin side effects. I ditched them after a 2nd statin reacted the same. Over the years, my levels crept downwards even as my stress levels shot through the roof. Then I discovered low carb, which relieved my celiac symptoms, and lately, I've been investigating Paleo, but don't expect much at this late date. I've had jaundice, mono, years of anemia, and am currently taking thyroid (Erfa) meds. I have been hypo for years, but high cholesterol won't kill me; my mother lived to 85, and my dad to 92. Heart failure will.

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        • #49
          MDs are accustomed to a certain way of thinking, and I suspect are pushed by pharmaceutical companies to recommend medication (afterall, they are basically to drugs what car salesmen are to cars).

          For years I complained of back pain, and my family doctor told me to do back exercises and take Advil. My back pain got so awful I ended up suffering from whiplash as I was rolling out of bed (whiplash on my neck...from getting out of bed). I went to the urgent care center, and they gave me a prescription for vicadin and muscle relaxers. Months later, I went to see a chiropractor on recommendation of a friend. I had some x-rays done there, and there were some major distortions in my spine and neck, that even my medically untrained eyes could see. Never once did my MD suggest x-rays to see if there was something causing the pain I complained of.

          Another example, for years, I complained to the *same* doctor about indigestion. She gave me a prescription for fiber. Fiber: basically mysterious white powdery stuff in a bottle that I was to mix into my drinks twice a day. Years later, I went to a family care practitioner. Bloodwork was done, and it turns out I was allergic to several things I ate on a daily basis. I quit eating said things, and the indigestion and stomach pain went away. That was in December 2012. That's what lead me here, unknowingly I have been on a Primal diet since the discovery of said food allergies.


          Lesson here? ALWAYS get a second opinion, from a DIFFERENT kind of practitioner.
          Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

          Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
          Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
          Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
          F/23/5'9"

          26lbs lost since cutting the crap.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
            I didn't read through all of this, so forgive me if this repeated:

            Were you careful of what you ate the day of and before your test? Eating fat prior to a cholesterol test can make the results high.
            I'm pretty consistently high carb (low by SAD standards) moderate fat (very high by SAD standards). My macros for March were 45C:37F:18P.

            The morning of the test I had "Primmeal" (mashed banana, egg, raspberries. DOn't knock it - it's like oatmeal! ) The day before I had ground beef, potatoes...

            Even if it had been a lot of fat I don't think it could make so much difference... that cholesterol is really high.
            Last edited by YogaBare; 04-19-2013, 02:46 PM.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #51
              Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
              Thank you Cryptocode!! Did you ever find out if there was an underlying medical reason for your high TC?
              No, back then doctors were not as agressive as they are to day, at least my current one is. I just noted it and left. Now that I know a little more, I think high TC is natural for me. My heritage is Norweigan (from the central western coast - fishing and diary), and northern Germans (dairy and red meat). My Grandparents and Great Grandparents ate lots of fish, cheese, red meat, and pickled everything; pickled or salted. My Grandfather loved Limburger cheese (the smellest cheese you can imagine). My Great Grandparents lived to be over 100. I'll bet they all had high TC and that's why they lived so long.

              My Grandparents only lived until their late 80's. They were more modern and ate a more grains and new oils, although not nearly as much as people do today.

              I came here because after following doctor's orders for 10 years I was so sick I could barely walk. I had already decided that if the 2 choices are between living in pain and misery - or death, I'll take death. This is MY body. I'm going to do what it wants. (The other way failed.)

              Interestingly, I talked with a charge nurse yesterday. She told me that nurses were always trying to convince doctors that "Quality of life" was important to patients. Quality of Life? To me that means 'I feel good', and that means I'm healthy. The doctors must be making decisions on statistics, and there is NO statistical person.
              Last edited by Cryptocode; 04-19-2013, 04:14 PM.
              "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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              • #52
                Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                Not for nothing, but at least you can get your tests, even if your MD's suck. I can't afford to get bloodwork.... My deductible is $5000. And LOL< you don't want to be a self insured american on anti depressents when renewal time comes around.
                We have a high deductible HSA and I had all the routine lab work, plus a vitamin D check, done last month. Still waiting for the bill to come, but I know the D test was $100 by itself sigh...
                Last edited by mom23kids; 04-19-2013, 04:42 PM.
                *Sara*

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                  Interestingly, I talked with a charge nurse yesterday. She told me that nurses were always trying to convince doctors that "Quality of life" was important to patients. Quality of Life? To me that means 'I feel good', and that means I'm healthy. The doctors must be making decisions on statistics, and there is NO statistical person.
                  You're right: drugs treat a population, not a person.

                  Thanks for all the wise words
                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    I'm pretty consistently high carb (low by SAD standards) moderate fat (very high by SAD standards). My macros for March were 45C:37F:18P.

                    The morning of the test I had "Primmeal" (mashed banana, egg, raspberries. DOn't knock it - it's like oatmeal! ) The day before I had ground beef, potatoes...

                    Even if it had been a lot of fat I don't think it could make so much difference... that cholesterol is really high.
                    I certainly don't think you eat too much fat in general. I once ate a New York steak the day before a test (didn't read the instructions) and my test came out over 100 points higher than normal. The instructions had said to basically eat as little fat as possible - like 10% or less- for a day before the blood draw. I know your number was even more shocking, but eating your normal amount of fat on top of possibly having extra fat in your blood from potentially losing right now may have really set the test off in the wrong direction.

                    Whatever the cause, I hope you get some answers soon
                    PaleoMom's Diet Recovery Journal
                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82059.html

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by PaleoMom View Post
                      I certainly don't think you eat too much fat in general. I once ate a New York steak the day before a test (didn't read the instructions) and my test came out over 100 points higher than normal. The instructions had said to basically eat as little fat as possible - like 10% or less- for a day before the blood draw. I know your number was even more shocking, but eating your normal amount of fat on top of possibly having extra fat in your blood from potentially losing right now may have really set the test off in the wrong direction.

                      Whatever the cause, I hope you get some answers soon
                      Wow, 100 points? That's significant.

                      Well, I currently eat about 100gs fat per day, but from May to November it was more like 250gs! Going from being vegan and prob less than 30gs of fat.

                      But yeah, it could be healing / cleansing / thyroid... will need to do more tests.
                      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                      - Ray Peat

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                        Interestingly, I talked with a charge nurse yesterday. She told me that nurses were always trying to convince doctors that "Quality of life" was important to patients. Quality of Life? To me that means 'I feel good', and that means I'm healthy. The doctors must be making decisions on statistics, and there is NO statistical person.
                        If only the doctors were making decisions based on statistics instead of misinformation supplied by drug companies and the media!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          If only the doctors were making decisions based on statistics instead of misinformation supplied by drug companies and the media!
                          LOLLL! But aren't the results of the tests preformed by the drug companies the source of the doctors statistics.
                          "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                            I'm pretty consistently high carb (low by SAD standards) moderate fat (very high by SAD standards). My macros for March were 45C:37F:18P.

                            The morning of the test I had "Primmeal" (mashed banana, egg, raspberries. DOn't knock it - it's like oatmeal! ) The day before I had ground beef, potatoes...

                            Even if it had been a lot of fat I don't think it could make so much difference... that cholesterol is really high.
                            I believe you need to be fasting for cholesterol tests. There are some studies that suggest it doesn't change results by more than 10-20%, but it may be worth considering repeating it following an 8 hour fast.
                            Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                            http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                              You're right: drugs treat a population, not a person. Thanks for all the wise words
                              I wish! No, what you're hearing is not wisdom but anger. Deep Anger. If only I had not spent so much of my life following "doctor's orders", trying to please everyone else, to do what they told me.
                              "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                              • #60
                                I wouldn't call your doctor a moron. With a TC that high I wouldn't put any stock in ratio's and particle sizes. Your genotype most likely does not do well such a diet.
                                Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 04-19-2013, 11:13 PM.

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