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  • #16
    Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
    Hmmm...glad your going to get it tested again with a better breakdown, but to an extent your doctor is correct. When its that high you do have to take total into account. There is an issue somewhere and you can say that just based on that TC. That does not mean that statins are the answer though. It just means you have some investigating to do. I know you tend towards the Peat protocol. Are you adding much refined sugars to your diet?
    Originally posted by peril View Post
    That is a very high TC. It is probable that you have very high LDL. There may be a number of reasons for this. Hypothyoidism is one. Familial hyperlipidaemia is another.

    Lipid lowering drugs definitely aren't the answer, but I wouldn't be blase about this number.

    IIRC, you eat often and have your own version of primal. Might be worth reviewing
    Guys, please don't do a diet witch hunt on me. That's not cool. Eating often will raise my cholesterol? wtf? FYI, I've only been eating often for the last two weeks, and I finally have some sense of sanity with food.

    My bloods from two years ago were when I was an underweight vegan, ingesting refined sugar, junk food, lentils, and hardly any fat. I didn't even use olive oil! I also drank copious amounts of alcohol.

    The only new things to my diet are fat and meat. I don't even really drink anymore.

    Everyone here seems to have cholesterol increases after eating high fat. Seems like a no brainer.

    Anyway, if you don't hear from me again you'll know what happened...
    Last edited by YogaBare; 04-19-2013, 05:14 AM.
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #17
      Originally posted by quelsen View Post
      HEALING

      High LDL when eating an otherwise Rational Paleo diet tends to mean ( I would personally say ALWAYS but... hedging here ) Massive tissue damage that is being healed.

      Assuming you are doing Yoga right you are tearing things up every time, micro fractures that would not have anything to heal thenselves with..

      being a long time vegan brings its own set of concerns to the table.

      My chicka spend most of her 28 years malnourished it took over 9 months of strict ketogenic diet to stop her hypoglycemia to say nothing of the 2 years it has taken to stabilize her cycles.

      i suggest you care about your small dense LDL and your HDL and the rest i garbage.

      look to your DHEA and your Vitamin D... if you can ge the test look to your pregnenolone rather than DHEA but DHEA is useally less hassle to obtain.

      suppplement for both while your LDL is high. it will drop


      protect you liver during this process ( milk thistle) as the ldl needs to be eliminated and your liver needs to be able to accomplish that task.

      Good Hunting
      Thanks for the advice. You're a sweet heart <3
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • #18
        Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
        Guys, please don't do a diet witch hunt on me. That's not cool. Eating often will raise my cholesterol? wtf? FYI, I've only been eating often for the last two weeks, and I finally have some sense of sanity with food.
        Not sure what my blood tests would show, but I can totally agree that I prefer to eat often. Fully support you on that yoga

        EDIT: PS. Hope your next test sheds some light on this for you, and provides you with some info you can use. Cheers.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
          Thanks for the reassurance! Thta's helpful to know. It's just scarey when your doc says he's never seen someone with a cholesterol increase like mine. What a wonderful bedside manner.

          My body probably is struggling. I've been doing a refeed for the last month (long story): my weight and macros are all over the place. Maybe I should wait til things calm down a bit before getting my bloods done again? I'm booked in for the total lipid profile next tues...
          If your weight is "all over the place" then yes this can greatly effect it. Dunno how anything I said was a diet witchhunt. You eat a certain way and you have certain results. Should you not like those results you may have to re-examine what you eat. Rather than making any further suggestions I'll just leave it to you to decide what you want to examine. In the end this could simply be a mix of what quelsen stated regarding healing and your weight fluctuation.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
            If your weight is "all over the place" then yes this can greatly effect it. Dunno how anything I said was a diet witchhunt. You eat a certain way and you have certain results. Should you not like those results you may have to re-examine what you eat. Rather than making any further suggestions I'll just leave it to you to decide what you want to examine. In the end this could simply be a mix of what quelsen stated regarding healing and your weight fluctuation.
            I know you mean well NH. From what I see though - on this site low carbers always blame carbs for any problem, and high carbers blame lack of carbs. It's exhausting.

            As I said though: Even with Ray Peat's research I still eat a lot less refined sugar than I did two years ago. Over the last three months I've eaten chocolate three times. I also eat fewer carbs than I used to. The only difference has been meat, dairy, and fat.

            And yeah, let's hope it's the healing. I am in recovery from a 13 year ED where I'm just starting to feed myself properly again.
            Last edited by YogaBare; 04-19-2013, 05:53 AM.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #21
              Quelsen is really smart about these things. It might be worth listening to him. He's gone through a long, arduous journey and basically had to take his health into his own hands. In the process has learned more than most of us will ever know.

              It is likely I have high cholesterol like that. This is why I have not had any cholesterol tests since I started eating Primal. I really am not interested. My grandmother lived to age 83, the longest lived of my grandparents, and her cholesterol was in the 800s or something ridiculous like that.
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                Quelsen is really smart about these things. It might be worth listening to him. He's gone through a long, arduous journey and basically had to take his health into his own hands. In the process has learned more than most of us will ever know.

                It is likely I have high cholesterol like that. This is why I have not had any cholesterol tests since I started eating Primal. I really am not interested. My grandmother lived to age 83, the longest lived of my grandparents, and her cholesterol was in the 800s or something ridiculous like that.
                Thanks Diane. I will definitely listen to Quelsen And yeah, now that you mention is, a doctor friend of a friend was anecdotally telling me that he knew someone who lived to 92 who had a cholesterol reading of 15 (580.0464 mg/dl).

                Originally posted by Matt View Post
                Not sure what my blood tests would show, but I can totally agree that I prefer to eat often. Fully support you on that yoga

                EDIT: PS. Hope your next test sheds some light on this for you, and provides you with some info you can use. Cheers.
                Thanks Matt
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                  My cholesterol has gone up from a already-high 6 (232.01856 mg/dl) two years ago (when I was a border-line ana vegan) to a shocking 10.4 (402.16551 mg/dl) (eating meat, fat, carbs). I've never heard of someone having cholesterol that high. Does anyone else have cholesterol that high?
                  Yes, same happened to me after less than 9 months on a high fat (especially saturated from grass fed beef, grass fed bison, grass fed dairy, beef liverwurst and lots of coconut) and high cholesterol diet. My TC went from 252 to 383. LDL and HDL increased about the same amount while trigs dropped from 146 to 74. My HDL-C is 130 which I would like to think is good but I can not find any studies that suggest HDL-C above 70-80 is protective.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Artbuc View Post
                    Yes, same happened to me after less than 9 months on a high fat (especially saturated from grass fed beef, grass fed bison, grass fed dairy, beef liverwurst and lots of coconut) and high cholesterol diet. My TC went from 252 to 383. LDL and HDL increased about the same amount while trigs dropped from 146 to 74. My HDL-C is 130 which I would like to think is good but I can not find any studies that suggest HDL-C above 70-80 is protective.
                    I remember that Artbuc, and I can appreciate how upsetting it probably was for you! My doc has a similar manner to yours, and I came out of there crying. My mum has two heart conditions (yeah, two) so I'm pretty freaked out.

                    It's worth bearing in mind what Sabine said - half of the people with heart attacks have normal cholesterol levels.

                    Where do you stand on the whole thing now? Have you gotten your thyroid checked? My t4 is a bit high which might indicate that t3 is low, so I'm getting a full panel done next week.
                    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                    - Ray Peat

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                    • #25
                      I just gave blood yesterday to check my lipid profile. I asked for it out if interest - can't wait to see what it says. My HDL was stellar a couple of years ago after taking Shangri-La style light olive oil for a couple of years. Now that I've stopped the daily ELOO, taken out most grains and am eating my own eggs (often with bacon) most days, I'm curious to see where my labs are.

                      Hopefully I don't give my doc heart failure when the results come back!

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                      • #26
                        Triglycerides are protective against free fatty acids, but if your cholesterol and triglycerides are high, you likely have hypothyroidism to an extent. When fructose raises trigs, it's due to the fact it's lowering FFAs, so that's a good thing.

                        An Association Between Varying Degrees of Hypot... [Prev Cardiol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI
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                        • #27
                          Get all of your lipid numbers and use the calculations found here:

                          Better Know Your Triglyceride/HDL Ratio if You Want to Prevent a Heart Attack

                          It put my mind at ease, as my total is 269. I also just finished watching this movie, that may help:

                          STATIN NATION: The Great Cholesterol Cover-Up (Full Movie) - YouTube
                          My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82833.html

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                          • #28
                            The cholesterol-lowering fiasco for a long time centered on the ability of unsaturated oils to slightly lower serum cholesterol. For years, the mechanism of that action wasn't known, which should have suggested caution. Now, it seems that the effect is just one more toxic action, in which the liver defensively retains its cholesterol, rather than releasing it into the blood. Large scale human studies have provided overwhelming evidence that whenever drugs, including the unsaturated oils, were used to lower serum cholesterol, mortality increased, from a variety of causes including accidents, but mainly from cancer.

                            Since the l930s, it has been clearly established that suppression of the thyroid raises serum cholesterol (while increasing mortality from infections, cancer, and heart disease), while restoring the thyroid hormone brings cholesterol down to normal. In this situation, however, thyroid isn't suppressing the synthesis of cholesterol, but rather is promoting its use to form hormones and bile salts. When the thyroid is functioning properly, the amount of cholesterol in the blood entering the ovary governs the amount of progesterone being produced by the ovary, and the same situation exists in all steroid-forming tissues, such as the adrenal glands and the brain. Progesterone and its precursor, pregnenolone, have a generalized protective function: antioxidant, anti-seizure, antitoxin, anti-spasm, anti-clot, anti-cancer, pro-memory, pro-myelination, pro-attention, etc. Any interference with the formation of cholesterol will interfere with all of these exceedingly important protective functions.
                            Coconut Oil

                            This is interesting and it could apply to you. Two things could potentially be happening:

                            1.) Your liver could be detoxifying and releasing lots of cholesterol into your bloodstream from your healthier dietary changes. However, this would be the case only if this was a fairly new change for you. Have you been primal awhile? Your username is almost a year old, so if you've been primal this whole time this probably isn't the case.

                            2.) Do you eat a lot of pork, poultry or the classic eggs, bacon, nuts and avocado while maintaining a low carbohydrate diet low in sodium? That would be a diet very high in unsaturated fats and low in sugar, starch and salt, which is a recipe for hypothyroidism. You may want to consider taking a supplement made of dessicated thyroid and adrenal tissues, like Raw Thyroid and Raw Adrenal in unison or Vitacost's Thyroid Complex, which I take twice a day.

                            Oh, and salt your food with iodized salt

                            Just some thoughts.
                            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                              Coconut Oil

                              This is interesting and it could apply to you. Two things could potentially be happening:

                              1.) Your liver could be detoxifying and releasing lots of cholesterol into your bloodstream from your healthier dietary changes. However, this would be the case only if this was a fairly new change for you. Have you been primal awhile? Your username is almost a year old, so if you've been primal this whole time this probably isn't the case.

                              2.) Do you eat a lot of pork, poultry or the classic eggs, bacon, nuts and avocado while maintaining a low carbohydrate diet low in sodium? That would be a diet very high in unsaturated fats and low in sugar, starch and salt, which is a recipe for hypothyroidism. You may want to consider taking a supplement made of dessicated thyroid and adrenal tissues, like Raw Thyroid and Raw Adrenal in unison or Vitacost's Thyroid Complex, which I take twice a day.

                              Oh, and salt your food with iodized salt

                              Just some thoughts.
                              I agree with this, except about the dessicated thyroid(her t4 is already ok, she seems to be having a problem with conversion to t3, I think) as dessicated thyroid is t4 and t3, she needs to be on cytomel.

                              Iodized salt would likely agitate her thyroid problems, as too much iodine can cause hypothyroidism as too little can. The iodine in eggs and dairy suffice for anyone.

                              Morton canning salt or some sea salt non-iodized is perfectly fine.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                Triglycerides are protective against free fatty acids, but if your cholesterol and triglycerides are high, you likely have hypothyroidism to an extent. When fructose raises trigs, it's due to the fact it's lowering FFAs, so that's a good thing.

                                An Association Between Varying Degrees of Hypot... [Prev Cardiol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI
                                I read that even if T3 is low, if TSH is normal it rules out hypothyroidism..? Low T3 Syndrome I: it’s not about the thyroid!
                                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                                - Ray Peat

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