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    I am wondering if anyone feels this way, and why perhaps it can be difficult to maintain a low carb, high animal protein diet.
    When I eat low carb, (little/no fruit, dairy, nuts, just veg and meat and eggs), after a few days, the thought of animal products make me ill, and the taste is totally unappealing. However, when I do eat this way, I feel great- good digestion, good sleep, good energy, good mood etc.

    What I WANT to eat looks more like- lots of fruit, nut butters, and rice, oats (duck for cover). I am scared to eat this way, as it is not optimal for health and don't carbs make us fat???? (I'm trying to lean out some, hence the attempts at LC)

    So, anyway, wondering if anyone else feels this way and how you handle it. Where is the line between enjoying our food and eating what we "should"?

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    Perhaps your body is trying to tell you that it is one of those that needs more carbs in it on a regular basis. Possibly if you increased you carbs a little you wouldn't want to stick your head in a vat of oats

    I eat VLC and do very well on it without any of the things you describe, but I don't plan on eating this way forever and I keep a close eye on how I feel.

    I come from having a history of binge/comfort eating and dieting for most of my adult life - I suspect much of it caused by caring more about what I "should" do/eat/be etc than what I actually wanted. Our bodies are very clever - once we learn to tune into them they'll tell you what they want.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
      What I WANT to eat looks more like- lots of fruit, nut butters, and rice, oats (duck for cover).
      Then eat them.

      Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
      don't carbs make us fat
      no.

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      • #4
        I usually have these problems when I eat too much lean protein. If I switch to more fatty meat (or eggs, avocado, high fat dairy), it is OK.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
          I am wondering if anyone feels this way, and why perhaps it can be difficult to maintain a low carb, high animal protein diet.
          When I eat low carb, (little/no fruit, dairy, nuts, just veg and meat and eggs), after a few days, the thought of animal products make me ill, and the taste is totally unappealing. However, when I do eat this way, I feel great- good digestion, good sleep, good energy, good mood etc.

          What I WANT to eat looks more like- lots of fruit, nut butters, and rice, oats (duck for cover). I am scared to eat this way, as it is not optimal for health and don't carbs make us fat???? (I'm trying to lean out some, hence the attempts at LC)

          So, anyway, wondering if anyone else feels this way and how you handle it. Where is the line between enjoying our food and eating what we "should"?
          It's tough to give you any suggestions without knowing what your goals are, how long you've tried to be low carb, how you define low carb, and so on. Different strategies work for different people at different times.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Rebooted Body View Post
            It's tough to give you any suggestions without knowing what your goals are, how long you've tried to be low carb, how you define low carb, and so on. Different strategies work for different people at different times.
            Good questions. My goals are to drop probably 10lbs of fat. I have eaten a lower carb diet, probably under 150g/day for years, outside of being pregnant. I've spent up to a couple of months at a time under 30g/day. I define low carb as under 20-30g/day, as I seem to only enter ketosis at that level.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
              Good questions. My goals are to drop probably 10lbs of fat. I have eaten a lower carb diet, probably under 150g/day for years, outside of being pregnant. I've spent up to a couple of months at a time under 30g/day. I define low carb as under 20-30g/day, as I seem to only enter ketosis at that level.
              Many women don't tolerate VLC (under 50g of carbs a day) as well as men do. You may want to experiment with the 50-100 range. Eat the veggies first, then the protein.

              Did you have any previous sugar addiction or dependency by any chance?
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              • #8
                it is not optimal for health and don't carbs make us fat
                1. Fruits are good for you. They provide great nutrients and vitamins. Whoever said fruit was bad for you should be horsewhipped.
                2. Carbs don't make you fat. Too many carbs may make you fat. The SAD and CW replaces too many nutrient dense foods with less nutrient dense carbs. When you see a fat person it is highly unlikely they go that way by eating 1/2 cup of rice with their chicken a couple times a week, it's because they ate a 300 calorie bun around their 200 calorie burger patty and had a 500 calorie side of fried potatoes. Or you see the CW dieter that eats 1200 calories a day of carbs and is malnourished so their body hangs onto fat.
                3. If you are "leaning out" beyond where our bodies want to be, you may very well have to eat a diet you do not enjoy. Ironically, the stress some people end up going through to lose that last amount of body fat is not optimal for health either.

                With 10 lbs to lose, you may be at that threshold where you can be unhappy with what you eat and drop the fat, or enjoy your food and maintain. Your other option is patience and a willingness to experiment a bit.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SugarfreeLife View Post
                  I usually have these problems when I eat too much lean protein. If I switch to more fatty meat (or eggs, avocado, high fat dairy), it is OK.
                  I agree. Primal is not a high protein diet. You may be forcing yourself to eat more protein than you need, which would cause you to go through a period of not wanting much of it. Listen to your body.

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                  • #10
                    Whoever said fruit was bad for you should be horsewhipped.
                    That would be my mother. LOL.

                    All good stuff, thanks for responses, I'm glad I posted this. I think I need to get over my fear of carbs making me gain weight, or preventing loss hmm? And have good meat alternatives on hand when meat isn't cutting it.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
                      Whoever said fruit was bad for you should be horsewhipped.
                      That would be my mother. LOL.

                      All good stuff, thanks for responses, I'm glad I posted this. I think I need to get over my fear of carbs making me gain weight, or preventing loss hmm? And have good meat alternatives on hand when meat isn't cutting it.
                      There is certainly a time and place for carbs, but if VLC is your goal you may want to try increasing fat before increasing carbs significantly. Fear of carbs can be a problem in the Primal world, but the old fashioned CW fear of fat is much more detrimental. Fat (good fats) is very good for you.

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                      • #12
                        Fruit is good for you. The problem is that today's fruit has been engineered to be sweeter and bigger than typical fruit meaning you get more sugar and fructose than you normally would. So there's an argument on both sides.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FireFinder View Post
                          I am wondering if anyone feels this way, and why perhaps it can be difficult to maintain a low carb, high animal protein diet.
                          When I eat low carb, (little/no fruit, dairy, nuts, just veg and meat and eggs), after a few days, the thought of animal products make me ill, and the taste is totally unappealing.
                          This is ONE reason why this type of "diet" works...you lose your appetite and eat less by default.

                          What I WANT to eat looks more like- lots of fruit, nut butters, and rice, oats (duck for cover). I am scared to eat this way, as it is not optimal for health and don't carbs make us fat???? (I'm trying to lean out some, hence the attempts at LC)
                          What you WANT is a CRAVING. And it doesn't look like you're craving anything horrible. Oats make me bloat, but I eat them occasionally topped with nuts, honey, butter and cream. As for WHY you're craving these foods...that's for you to explore. But eating them won't harm you.

                          So, anyway, wondering if anyone else feels this way and how you handle it. Where is the line between enjoying our food and eating what we "should"?[/QUOTE]

                          I happen to like meat, fat, eggs, salad. I also like yogurt, fruit, nuts and rice. I'm not afraid of them. I also refuse to eat VLC deliberately in order to force my body to do something. If I happen to eat VLC, its because that's what my body wanted that day.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Markbt View Post
                            There is certainly a time and place for carbs, but if VLC is your goal you may want to try increasing fat before increasing carbs significantly. Fear of carbs can be a problem in the Primal world, but the old fashioned CW fear of fat is much more detrimental. Fat (good fats) is very good for you.
                            I'm definitely not eating too little fat. I'm at like 70%fat every day, at somewhere around 1600 cal. And it's good fat.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Rebooted Body View Post
                              Many women don't tolerate VLC (under 50g of carbs a day) as well as men do. You may want to experiment with the 50-100 range. Eat the veggies first, then the protein.

                              Did you have any previous sugar addiction or dependency by any chance?
                              No, no sugar addictions or dependency that I am aware of.
                              Why don't women often tolerate VLC? And how does that manifest? Are my aversions to meat common? Or is it more difficult loosing? Or feeling poorly? Like I mentioned initially, I actually feel quite good VLC, I just can't seem to maintain for more than a few days.

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