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  • Virgin Diet: question!

    I'm about to do JJ Virgin's 21 day elimination phase, where you cut out the 7 foods that people are most sensitive to. Something like 70% of Americans are sensitive to at least one of these:

    Soy
    Corn
    Gluten
    Dairy
    Sugar and artificial sweeteners
    Eggs
    Peanuts

    After 21 days, journal-ling how you feel and taking measurables the whole time, one week at a time you introduce the foods back into your diet and see how that effects you. In that manner, you don't have to cut out all 7 for the rest of your life, you just pin it down to the ones that you are sensitive to.

    Being an 80/20 paleo guy, most of these should be easy, I just need to go up to 100/0 for 21 days. The ones that will cause me problems are eggs and dairy, as they are a pretty significant part of my diet.

    Question: Is there any magic in eliminating all 7 at the same time? What if I did the test on just 6 of them (leaving one of eggs/dairy out)? After I was done with the 6, I could then repeat the test with the remaining food that was originally left out. Would this work just as well? If so, it would be easier for me to pull off, considering the significance of dairy and eggs in my diet.

    Thoughts? Thanks!

  • #2
    I think the point is that it is harder to figure out what is causing your issues if you have multiple dietary sensitivities. Some of those foods on that list do give similar symptoms. I get joint pain from eating corn, gluten, egg whites (but not egg yolks), and cooked dairy. It took me a long time to figure some of this stuff out.

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    • #3
      Also, would beer be considered gluten? Would whey protein be considered dairy? What about honey and syrup, would they be considered sugar?

      If I'm going to do this I may as well do it right.

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      • #4
        Yes to all.

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        • #5
          I already have 5 out of that 7 permanently out of my life. Just the eggs and the dairy for me.

          The thing is, even if you are not specifically "sensitive to" or "intolerant of" the other 5 things, there are good enough reasons to get rid of them already.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
            I already have 5 out of that 7 permanently out of my life. Just the eggs and the dairy for me.

            The thing is, even if you are not specifically "sensitive to" or "intolerant of" the other 5 things, there are good enough reasons to get rid of them already.
            Oh I hear ya. Regardless of how this experiment goes, none of those five are going to be staples in my diet. I'm just trying to find out if they should not even be in there 20% of the time.

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            • #7
              So I started this morning. I'm already finding it challenging to avoid 100% all 7 of these. I grabbed some salsa, but thought I better first check the label. Nope, it has sugar. Grabbed a box of powdered mash potatoes. Nope, it has sugar. Seasoning salt, fricking seasoning salt has sugar in it! Christ!

              The next three weeks are going to be very whole-foodsie, apparently.

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              • #8
                A small amount of sugar will have zero negative effect on anyone. You know what does have a big negative effect? Phobias and eating disorders.
                Last edited by Zach; 04-15-2013, 08:31 AM.

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                • #9
                  Personally I think it is important to reach a point where you can ask yourself the question, "Is X bothering me, and if so, should I give it up?" The idea that we should continue to eat things that are likely bothering us indefinitely is not healthy.

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                  • #10
                    OMG, I go to cook some sausage, I fire up the stove, put em in the pan. I wasn't even going to check ingredients. On a whim I did. Contains both whey and sugar. Damn it!

                    This is going to be HARD. Is there anything processed I can eat these three weeks? Probably not.

                    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                    Personally I think it is important to reach a point where you can ask yourself the question, "Is X bothering me, and if so, should I give it up?" The idea that we should continue to eat things that are likely bothering us indefinitely is not healthy.
                    Yep, it's definitely worth testing. After the test, for the things that are not bothering me but that are not paleo, I plan to insert them back in under the 80/20 umbrella. 80/20 was working very well for me. I'm just fine tuning now, trying to be the healthiest I can be.

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                    • #11
                      Just checked some biryani in the freezer. You guessed it, sugar.

                      Question: What can I use to add a little protein to my smoothies? I usually use whey protein powder, eggs, sunbutter, peanut butter, or yogurt. Those are all off the table, as the sunbutter contains "evaporated cane juice." Apparently NOTHING processed can be trusted! Even sunbutter!

                      At any rate, any ideas for my smoothies? Thanks!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Style View Post
                        Just checked some biryani in the freezer. You guessed it, sugar.

                        Question: What can I use to add a little protein to my smoothies? I usually use whey protein powder, eggs, sunbutter, peanut butter, or yogurt. Those are all off the table, as the sunbutter contains "evaporated cane juice." Apparently NOTHING processed can be trusted! Even sunbutter!

                        At any rate, any ideas for my smoothies? Thanks!
                        I can't comment on the Virgin plan but I learned pretty quickly that I can't keep any ready-to-eat barcodes in the house (If I'm not hungry enough to chop or heat something perishable then I'm not hungry). Shelf life + refined calories are intertwined on a fundamental level unfortunately.

                        There's basically no protein option according to her list--the only source not eliminated is meat/seafood. Hopefully you can return to eggs or yogurt soon. Plant protein is the most likely to be allergenic so I'd leave it as a last resort.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Style View Post
                          Question: What can I use to add a little protein to my smoothies? I usually use whey protein powder, eggs, sunbutter, peanut butter, or yogurt. Those are all off the table, as the sunbutter contains "evaporated cane juice." Apparently NOTHING processed can be trusted! Even sunbutter!

                          At any rate, any ideas for my smoothies? Thanks!
                          Cooked chicken breast?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by picklepete View Post
                            I can't comment on the Virgin plan but I learned pretty quickly that I can't keep any ready-to-eat barcodes in the house (If I'm not hungry enough to chop or heat something perishable then I'm not hungry). Shelf life + refined calories are intertwined on a fundamental level unfortunately.
                            Ugg. JERF, I guess.

                            One thing you can do is prepare meals ahead of time. Last night I baked a batch of paleo breakfast bars which should last me through the week...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              Cooked chicken breast?
                              Yeah, that's one option.

                              I did find this: vegan protein | vegan protein powder

                              At $1.16 per serving plus shipping that seems kind of pricey. I wonder if I could find that at a local health food store?

                              Hmm, just reading further about that potato protein:

                              "potato protein isolate contains no soy and / or soy lecithin and has a much higher biological value than rice or pea. In fact potato protein has a higher biological value than casein, more BCAA’s than whey protein, and overall contains more essential amino acids than any other protein powder. "

                              That sounds like it may be better than whey. Hmmmm.

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