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  • #16
    I consider the Virgin Diet to be a very inconvenient way to pinpoint food allergies and intolerances. You can do that via bloodwork at a doctor's office, then know exactly what to cut out.

    I have read her book, and she says something like "If you have a food allergy, you would know it." Um, wrong. Mild to moderate food allergies are very difficult to pinpoint, and mimic the symptoms of intolerances. Her method of elimination and re-introduction probably works, but why bother?

    Try going 100% Primal for a few weeks. Keep the eggs. Go get some food allergy tests, if your stomach is still bothering you.
    Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

    Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
    Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
    Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
    F/23/5'9"

    26lbs lost since cutting the crap.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Style View Post
      Yeah, that's one option.

      I did find this: vegan protein | vegan protein powder

      At $1.16 per serving plus shipping that seems kind of pricey. I wonder if I could find that at a local health food store?

      Hmm, just reading further about that potato protein:

      "potato protein isolate contains no soy and / or soy lecithin and has a much higher biological value than rice or pea. In fact potato protein has a higher biological value than casein, more BCAA’s than whey protein, and overall contains more essential amino acids than any other protein powder. "

      That sounds like it may be better than whey. Hmmmm.
      That looks interesting. If I was a person who preferred protein powder to animal flesh, I'd consider buying that.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Style View Post
        80/20 was working very well for me. I'm just fine tuning now, trying to be the healthiest I can be.
        Honestly, there might not be any point in doing this for you. It sounds like your only problem is that you can't give up pursuing the idea of 'perfect' health... If you don't feel bad as is, then why change things, if all you'll feel then is deprived?

        I personally think everyone would be better off without dairy (cow's milk is for baby cows), but why give up eggs if they don't disagree with you? Why give up beer if one or two of them helps you unwind after a long day? There's more to being healthy than just eating right--at some point you have to accept that, hey, you've arrived. You don't need another fad diet challenge. I think what you're seeing here is you'd be better off without processed foods, and hey, don't we all know that on some level? Sure, if you were having allergy symptoms, this allergen-free month might be of use, but you're not, you're talking about embarking on 21 days of deprivation for no real reason... Maybe just forego the Virgin challenge and pay closer attention to labels of things you buy--I have definitely seen sun butters without added sugar, for example--and skip the unnecessary elimination of things that haven't given you any problems.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Style View Post
          Question: Is there any magic in eliminating all 7 at the same time? What if I did the test on just 6 of them (leaving one of eggs/dairy out)? After I was done with the 6, I could then repeat the test with the remaining food that was originally left out. Would this work just as well? If so, it would be easier for me to pull off, considering the significance of dairy and eggs in my diet.

          Thoughts? Thanks!
          The only magic is if you where doing an elimination diet. These are the most common food allergies/problematic items. If you are particularly sensitive to any of them you may have leaky gut which could lead you to further sensitivities. Should this be the case you would need to remove all sensitivities for a period of time, and then you could begin the re-introduction phase one food item at a time.... likely starting with eggs and ending with gluten.

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          • #20
            I've been at my target weight for a year now, and I rarely fluctuate outside of 150-152 lbs. I went on vacation a couple weeks ago and was eating out basically every meal. I was definitely not 80/20 on this trip, at best 50/50. When I came home and weighed myself I was 152.

            So yesterday was my first day eliminating these foods. I woke up this morning, weighed myself, and I was 153! Now that is unexpected.

            Originally posted by 2ndChance View Post
            Honestly, there might not be any point in doing this for you. It sounds like your only problem is that you can't give up pursuing the idea of 'perfect' health... If you don't feel bad as is, then why change things, if all you'll feel then is deprived?
            Not feeling bad is relative. Since I was old enough to not eat baby food, have I ever gone more then a day or two without eating gluten, corn, dairy, or sugar? Since going primal, have I gone more than a day or two without eggs? To both of these questions, probably no.

            One of the ideas behind the Virgin challenge is you may not even realize you're feeling bad. Your baseline to compare everything against is one in which your body is having to deal with these allergens on a daily basis. MANY have gone through this process and come out the other side saying "I had no idea I wasn't feeling well. I didn't even realize I had pain in my joints. That was just normal for me. I didn't know what I was missing. etc, etc"

            If I come out the other side of this and discover I don't have an issue with any of these (which I know is not true about dairy, at least), then at a minimum I've gained piece of mind.

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            • #21
              I dig your reasoning - reminds me of this: There Is Another Level Above “I’m Doing Fine” - GNOLLS.ORG

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              • #22
                Another unexpected result: Yesterday I was pretty gassy all day long. I'm lactose intolerant, yet still normally have dairy daily. I thought reduced gas was one thing I could count on over these 3 weeks, but at least so far that is not the case. Granted, we're talking about just the first day here...

                Originally posted by upupandaway View Post
                I dig your reasoning - reminds me of this: There Is Another Level Above “I’m Doing Fine” - GNOLLS.ORG
                Nice link!

                Even if you’re not on prescription medication right now, are you really “fine”?

                Do you need caffeine in order to wake up in the morning, or not fall asleep after lunch?
                Do you still suffer from acne? Headaches? Acid reflux?
                How about stiffness and joint pain? Gas and bloating?
                Do you sleep through the night?
                How quickly do you go through that bottle of Tylenol or Aleve? How about the cortisone, to deal with that random itchy, flaky skin?
                Are you convinced that you must continually restrict your eating to maintain a healthy bodyweight—let alone the body composition you want?
                What’s that stuff hanging over the top of your belt? Even if you don’t care about your appearance, imagine how much lighter on your feet you’d feel if you didn’t have to carry around that extra twenty pounds.
                Can you go more than five hours without food, without becoming weak and shaky?
                My answer to at least a few of those is "No." So there is definitely room for this experiment to bear fruit.

                Plus, we're talking three weeks here folks. Three weeks where I'm forced to give up processed foods. The HORROR! Yes, I know I'm bitching about the inconvenience, but IMO it's a small price to pay to discover if I'm sensitive to these foods.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by picklepete View Post
                  I can't comment on the Virgin plan but I learned pretty quickly that I can't keep any ready-to-eat barcodes in the house (If I'm not hungry enough to chop or heat something perishable then I'm not hungry). Shelf life + refined calories are intertwined on a fundamental level unfortunately.

                  There's basically no protein option according to her list--the only source not eliminated is meat/seafood. Hopefully you can return to eggs or yogurt soon. Plant protein is the most likely to be allergenic so I'd leave it as a last resort.
                  She recommends a pea and/or hemp protein, I think.

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                  • #24
                    Do raisins have sugar? Under ingredients it lists one thing: raisins.

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                    • #25
                      There are people who are allergic/intolerant to regular sugar (sucrose)? Strange.

                      I've read that most lighter beers do not contain huge amounts of gluten, but they do contain gluten. However, there is such a thing as gluten-free beer.

                      As for raisins--yes, they contain sugar (fructose). Fruits contain fructose. Pretty much anything that tastes sweet contains some kind of sugar or artificial sweetener (unless it's stevia or that luo han thing, which is also a naturally occurring non-caloric sweetener, like stevia). Whether the cutting out all sugar thing means cutting out things with added sugar only or cutting out anything sweet, including fruits and sweet potatoes, depends on what exactly it is that you're doing. Some people prefer to cut out everything sweet for a while because they believe that such a drastic measure is necessary for them to kick their sugar addiction. However, most of the time when people say they're cutting out sugar, they mean that they're cutting out things with added sugar and sweeteners like honey or maple syrup. They continue to eat fruit and sweet potatoes in moderation.

                      That said, however, dried fruit is something that many people around here stay away from because (a) they contain a high concentration of fructose and (b) it's really easy to overeat dried fruit. Dried figs and apricots are like crack to me. I think I like them better than chocolate. And they contain a hell of a lot more sugar than, say, 90% cacao dark chocolate.

                      I'm trying to cut out dairy because I suspect a mild casein allergy. I think I went 2 weeks 100% dairy free but then fell off the wagon. Still, I've already cut out 80% of the dairy, but I don't think an elimination diet would work unless I do it 100% so I'm resolved to eliminate dairy 100% again for the next 30 days. Here we go.
                      Last edited by diene; 04-16-2013, 10:50 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Style View Post
                        So I started this morning. I'm already finding it challenging to avoid 100% all 7 of these. I grabbed some salsa, but thought I better first check the label. Nope, it has sugar. Grabbed a box of powdered mash potatoes. Nope, it has sugar. Seasoning salt, fricking seasoning salt has sugar in it! Christ!

                        The next three weeks are going to be very whole-foodsie, apparently.
                        You need to go shopping for some new stuff. My salsa doesn't have sugar in it, and it's not fancy. Also, real potatoes beat powdered any day. The seasoning salt is a bit depressing but the tiny amount in that probably won't bother you.
                        Out of context quote for the day:

                        Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Style View Post
                          Do raisins have sugar? Under ingredients it lists one thing: raisins.
                          Naturally occuring ones, yes. Grapes are a very sugary fruit to start with and the drying process makes that worse. Personally, I only eat raisins as part of my curries. They add a tiny bit of sweetness.
                          Out of context quote for the day:

                          Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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                          • #28
                            Hey, I appreciate your logic, cause when I ate SAD foods I definitely didn't know there was any level above the lethargy/depression I called baseline, but I also think "there's always something better" can be a self-defeating mentality that stops you from appreciating the moment. Nothing wrong with trying the challenge... after a year or two of eating progressively healthier I've basically "perfected" my diet and am focusing on the emotional health issues that keep me from reaching a new and better baseline. I find my body gives me a pretty good indication of which things it doesn't want me to eat--tomatoes and bell peppers give me hives, balsamic vinegar makes me want to throw up, black tea and coffee give me the shakes... Good luck to you though!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Wildrose View Post
                              You need to go shopping for some new stuff. My salsa doesn't have sugar in it, and it's not fancy. Also, real potatoes beat powdered any day. The seasoning salt is a bit depressing but the tiny amount in that probably won't bother you.
                              Yeah, no kidding. If there is one thing I'm learning from this experiment it is READ LABELS. Holy cow, I have cauliflower in my freezer. I was about to eat some today, but read the label: "Contains milk and wheat." We're talking cauliflower here!!! WTF?!?!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Astrogirl View Post
                                She recommends a pea and/or hemp protein, I think.
                                Thanks for the heads up! I did a search and found this:

                                Amazon.com: Jarrow Formulas Optimal Plant Proteins, 19 oz (540 Grams): Health & Personal Care

                                Just ordered some.

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