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  • Herbs vs. Antibiotics for H. Pylori

    I have H. Pylori and my NP put me on a product called Pyloricil. I lasted 3 weeks on it. My pain and bloating increased significantly. I hoped it was part of the healing, but things just kept getting worse. Anyway, I stopped the pills and I am doing much better. I meet with my NP on Monday to go over options. She mentioned trying a different compound or antibiotics.

    What do you think is the most likely ingredient I reacted to? Zinc Carnosine, mastic gum, bismuth citrate, berberine.

    I'm hesitant to try another compound and wonder about just taking the antibiotics? Can you help me weigh my options?
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  • #2
    The only way to get rid of it is antibiotics. Even then it can be hard to get rid of. I recommend you stop eating very fatty and protein heavy meals, get the antibiotic regiment and follow it perfectly. Also drink tons of liquids, get lots of vitamin C and eat coconut oil daily.

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    • #3
      Reluctantly, I opt for antibiotics, but that's because I had bleeding ulcers so bad the docs wanted me in hospital. They recurred spring and fall, like clockwork, until I finally convinced my GP to prescribe the then unfamiliar protocol for H. pylori. After getting the specs from a knowledgeable source, I took the meds and was ulcer-free for 20 years. When I developed new symptoms a year ago, another round of antibiotics fixed me up. But I was aware of the possible bad effects of the "cure" as well. Do your due diligence and check out what's being prescribed.

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      • #4
        Yep. H Pylori is nothing to screw around with. Modern antibiotics have their uses. This is one of them. Nuke it and be done with it.

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        • #5
          There are resistant strains, and it's possible that the kind you have isn't responsive to the antibiotic you took. Discuss probiotics with your NP. There is good research showing that it can significantly help with permanently killing off h.pylori.
          We are like cattle, blocked in by industrial confines. Walking down aisle seven, I grab my wheat flakes like a foddered bovine. ~lucid space

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lucid Space View Post
            There are resistant strains, and it's possible that the kind you have isn't responsive to the antibiotic you took. Discuss probiotics with your NP. There is good research showing that it can significantly help with permanently killing off h.pylori.
            She didn't take an antibiotic. Pyloricil is an herbal concoction that is obviously not working. Time to bring out the big guns.
            Ortho Molecular Products -- Pyloricil

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
              She didn't take an antibiotic. Pyloricil is an herbal concoction that is obviously not working. Time to bring out the big guns.
              Ortho Molecular Products -- Pyloricil
              Oh, geeze. Thanks! Read the OP too fast, and should've looked it up.

              Yes, antibiotics should definitely be taken! Also, pro-biotics to help balance your GI normal flora.
              We are like cattle, blocked in by industrial confines. Walking down aisle seven, I grab my wheat flakes like a foddered bovine. ~lucid space

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              • #8
                Antibiotics.

                You know, we forget that Primal doesn't cure everything. Many many Groks died from things we can cure today.

                For the record, zinc gives me lower digestive problems. I have to avoid anything with enriched with zinc, and those zinc cold lozenges are BAD news.
                5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                • #9
                  My resource has this to say:

                  The most common treatment is the triple threrapy of colloidal bismuth, tetracycline, and metronidazole which has resulted in 60-95% eradication. The NIH also recommends antisecretory drugs.

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                  • #10
                    Forgive me if this doesn't apply. My wife suffered for many years with a stomach ulcer. Over that time it slowly but surely became worse to where she was finding it difficult to find any foods that didn't make her violently ill. Dr's were never able to help her at all. A few months ago I began some internet research and found info on H. Pylori. There were several home remedies offered, but she settled on fresh raw cabbage juice. 4oz 3x per day and within 2-3 weeks she was able to eat food she hasn't touched in years. Maybe this doesn't apply to the OP's problem, but it sure worked for my wife. Of course, we're just assuming that it actually was H. Pylori.

                    Some of the other remedies included Aloe Vera juice or cayenne pepper or ACV. All of these things supposedly kill the H. Pylori bacteria.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sqidmark View Post
                      Forgive me if this doesn't apply. My wife suffered for many years with a stomach ulcer. Over that time it slowly but surely became worse to where she was finding it difficult to find any foods that didn't make her violently ill. Dr's were never able to help her at all. A few months ago I began some internet research and found info on H. Pylori. There were several home remedies offered, but she settled on fresh raw cabbage juice. 4oz 3x per day and within 2-3 weeks she was able to eat food she hasn't touched in years. Maybe this doesn't apply to the OP's problem, but it sure worked for my wife. Of course, we're just assuming that it actually was H. Pylori.
                      You seem to be saying that for many years your wife went from doctor to doctor with a stomach ulcer, but it was never diagnosed. Was this before they found stomach ulcers are caused by a bacterial infection?

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                      • #12
                        There is some evidence that the mix of bacteria and yeasts in Kefir can help to suppress H. Pylori -- it wouldn't be a bad idea regardless to help rebuild your gut flora after the scorched earth results of taking antibiotics.

                        A quick googling produced quite a few results: Antibiotics and Kefir
                        with a little digging you cn find the actual research papers too.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          You seem to be saying that for many years your wife went from doctor to doctor with a stomach ulcer, but it was never diagnosed. Was this before they found stomach ulcers are caused by a bacterial infection?
                          Pretty much. They kept telling her that if it didn't show up on an xray, there was nothing they could do.

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                          • #14
                            Thank you for the thoughtful responses. I think I'm going to ask for the triple therapy. I'm hoping that enduring 3 weeks of the herbs got some of the killing started, but think I'd like to finish it off with the antibiotics. Thanks again for all the suggestions and I will have all the gut healing protocols ready as I go into this.
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                            June 2010: 168.6 -size 16
                            Current: 155 - size 10/12
                            Goal:135 - size 8

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Faumdano View Post
                              There is some evidence that the mix of bacteria and yeasts in Kefir can help to suppress H. Pylori -- it wouldn't be a bad idea regardless to help rebuild your gut flora after the scorched earth results of taking antibiotics.

                              A quick googling produced quite a few results: Antibiotics and Kefir
                              with a little digging you cn find the actual research papers too.
                              This is a good plan. Nuke then rebuild the good stuff.

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