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    Hey I'm talking with my roommate, and due to my limited knowledge of Paleo, he is saying that I should stop because it is like the Atkins diet and the guy died, so it's not really healthy. So I ask, how is consuming a lot of fat, (ex: a recipe for banana and egg pancakes, it says cook in the leftover bacon grease. That was from Rob Wolff.) So, with a lot of cholestorol coming in from consuming more fat, wouldn't it lead to a heart attack? This is what he is saying, and you know, I don't know about stuff like that, hence my SAD diet, and I'd like to hear an answer. Thanks.

  • #2
    you're going to die when your heart explodes from bananaeggbacon fat

    snopes.com: Dr. Robert Atkins' Death
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    • #3
      Paleo isn't a "low carb diet".

      Go do some reading, it's all on this website

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Allenete View Post
        Paleo isn't a "low carb diet".

        Go do some reading, it's all on this website
        I've been reading the 21 Day Transformation and, I'm fighting ADHD, so I don't retain a lot, due to constantly daydreaming and not being focused, but I've read that it is a no grain diet with carbs from fruits and veggies I guess? So, I guess it isn't, but he is relating that grains have a buttload of carbs, so it becomes a low carb diet, but I guess I need to compensate with more fruits and veggies?

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        • #5
          it can be lowER carb than the standard grain-based diet, but primal is only low carb if you want it to be.

          conversely, it can be low fat and high carb. whatever makes you happy
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          Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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          • #6
            Honestly the only answer is that your food is not his business. Is he really open to persuasion?

            Heart disease starts with endothelial trauma which is caused (and not caused) by a lot of different things, but it went up while our butter/bacon/egg consumption went down.
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            • #7
              Atkins was right.

              His 'empire' got a bit carried away with the processed foods market.

              That is all.
              Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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              5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
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              • #8
                @Bloodorchid: I can see that, I'm not sure right now lol, but it makes sense.

                @Picklepete: He is obnoxious, and a know it all, and it makes me mad that he makes me question everything, but, because he asks about stuff I would never think about, and has a lot of knowledge, I have learned to take it serious, while he claims to know a lot, and turns stuff around to benefit him, I need to know. I realize I will know more, the more I read and learn, but I wanted to start this up, it's been a month since I started learning and didn't want to live bad anymore. And it made me question myself.


                ANYWAY! He is claiming that those on low carb diets are more weak and fragile because carbs = energy, and with less, you aren't as good as we have learned to be. He actually said that there was wheat back in the paleo era and that people shouldn't be taking away something that we've had for thousands of years.

                I like knowing that I caught him up in BS, it's like a personal win for me lol. But the being low carb and being weaker, I don't want to believe this, because so many people are Paleo and have had so much success, and he is insisting that it's only meant to be no grains for a month or so and then go to low grains. Your thoughts?

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                • #9
                  @Bloodorchid: I can see that, I'm not sure right now lol, but it makes sense.

                  @Picklepete: He is obnoxious, and a know it all, and it makes me mad that he makes me question everything, but, because he asks about stuff I would never think about, and has a lot of knowledge, I have learned to take it serious, while he claims to know a lot, and turns stuff around to benefit him, I need to know. I realize I will know more, the more I read and learn, but I wanted to start this up, it's been a month since I started learning and didn't want to live bad anymore. And it made me question myself.


                  ANYWAY! He is claiming that those on low carb diets are more weak and fragile because carbs = energy, and with less, you aren't as good as we have learned to be. He actually said that there was wheat back in the paleo era and that people shouldn't be taking away something that we've had for thousands of years.

                  I like knowing that I caught him up in BS, it's like a personal win for me lol. But the being low carb and being weaker, I don't want to believe this, because so many people are Paleo and have had so much success, and he is insisting that it's only meant to be no grains for a month or so and then go to low grains. Your thoughts?

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                  • #10
                    He may have a lot of conventional knowledge, the stuff our heads have been filled with since birth, but obvious he has low knowledge of what he's actually arguing against.

                    It is not about the carbs - it's about grains. I get plenty of my carbs from fruit and vegetables.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                      Atkins was right.

                      His 'empire' got a bit carried away with the processed foods market.

                      That is all.
                      ^ Excellent summary.

                      Everyone from Banting to Atkins to Taubes have been saying the same basic thing for 150years now, they are all correct. The best name is just to call it Paleolithic Nutrition and stop all the individual names people are slapping on it to try to become rich/famous.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Allenete View Post
                        He may have a lot of conventional knowledge, the stuff our heads have been filled with since birth, but obvious he has low knowledge of what he's actually arguing against.

                        It is not about the carbs - it's about grains. I get plenty of my carbs from fruit and vegetables.
                        ^this. also, for people who choose to go vlc (very low carb), fat ends up being their chief source of fuel.

                        as for the "weakness" your friend talks about, tell him that protein is what builds muscle, and I'll bet the average paleo/primal person eats twice the protein of someone on a conventional diet.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kaminokamen View Post
                          ANYWAY! He is claiming that those on low carb diets are more weak and fragile because carbs = energy
                          Carbs are how plants store energy. Fat is how animals store energy.

                          Originally posted by Kaminokamen View Post
                          He actually said that there was wheat back in the paleo era and that people shouldn't be taking away something that we've had for thousands of years.
                          Give him a link (or read up yourself) on Wheat Belly. Modern high yield dwarf wheat bears little relation to it's ancestors.

                          Originally posted by Kaminokamen View Post
                          I like knowing that I caught him up in BS, it's like a personal win for me lol.
                          Then you can easily catch him on saturated fat / cholesterol / heart diease too. Because blaming cholesterol for causing heart disease is like blaming firemen for fires.

                          Originally posted by Kaminokamen View Post
                          But the being low carb and being weaker, I don't want to believe this, because so many people are Paleo and have had so much success, and he is insisting that it's only meant to be no grains for a month or so and then go to low grains. Your thoughts?
                          Here's a secret: the 'only for a month' thing is a trick. If you try to convince someone who is addicted to grains to give them up, the subtext of a typical reply is 'you'll pry them from my cold dead hands'. Whereas people are prepared to try giving them up 'just for 30 days'. The 30 days is to give you enough experience actually being grain free to make an informed decision about whether you want to give them up longer term.

                          That said, I still eat modest portions of rice in the right meal, and it's a cereal. I still buy oats for my kids to eat porridge. Grains exist on a spectrum (with wheat at one end).

                          p.s. How knowledgeable can this guy really be, if he's repeating urban legends about Atkins?
                          Last edited by magicmerl; 04-02-2013, 09:04 PM.
                          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                          Griff's cholesterol primer
                          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                          bloodorchid is always right

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                          • #14
                            Atkins had a few weeks of super-low carb, then increased, but paleo does not. They do say to try it a month and see if it works for you.

                            What I would say to your friend is more like: If I have way more energy on this diet and feel tons better, I'm going to go with it. Before, I had xyz (insert whatever negative symptoms you saw go away), but now I don't. So I'm going to stick with it as long as it's working for me.

                            There's not a ton he can say to that.

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                            • #15
                              Also Atkins didnt die from his diet, he smashed his head from falling on ice.

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