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    What's the reasoning behind aiming for moderate protein as opposed to high protein? When I try to eat like Grok, my protein in grams is often higher than my body weight. I can tweak it, add fats to everything and eat less meat and seafood, but I'd like to know why I should go through the trouble. Thanks.

  • #2
    You must be choosing lean meats. Grok ate fat.

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    • #3
      There's only so much protein your body can process ... you'd have to have a very large amount of protein for it to be excessive though. Something like over 250g. Which I can't do even if I tried.

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      • #4
        You know that meat contains protein AND fat, right?
        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

        Griff's cholesterol primer
        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
        bloodorchid is always right

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        • #5
          There are tons of post filled with advice on how to get your protein up or down. With lots of people stating that they eat high protein with no problems.
          But PB specifically suggests moderate protein. And I have not been able to see any reference as to why. Does Mark ever give his reasoning?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by oopie View Post
            What's the reasoning behind aiming for moderate protein as opposed to high protein? When I try to eat like Grok, my protein in grams is often higher than my body weight. I can tweak it, add fats to everything and eat less meat and seafood, but I'd like to know why I should go through the trouble. Thanks.
            If you are trying for ketosis, you do need to moderate your protein intake. I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't be doing ketosis. That is your call.

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            • #7
              If you eat lean animals you end up with higher protein.

              For example:
              * Eat 65/35 animal/plant diet, and the animals have 3% body fat, your macros can end up: 56% protein, 23% fat, 22% carb.
              * Eat 65/35 animal/plant diet, and the animals have 20% body fat, your macros can end up: 21% protein, 58% fat, 22% carb.

              Source: http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/3/682.full.pdf

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                If you are trying for ketosis, you do need to moderate your protein intake. I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't be doing ketosis. That is your call.
                Pretty much this. Because gluconeogenesis can produce enough glucose in the body that it can knock you out of ketosis if protein quantities are sufficient. However, lots of people do just fine eating a higher protein diet so unless ketosis is a goal of yours it's not too big of a deal.
                "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by oopie View Post
                  But PB specifically suggests moderate protein. And I have not been able to see any reference as to why.
                  Forget ketosis. That's not why excess protein is bad.

                  Both fats and carbs are composed of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon. So your body can convert excess of these into each other as needed. But protein also includes nitrogen, so when you have excess protein in your body, it converts the excess to carbs / fats as needed, but the nitrogen thus liberated then turns into ammonia, which isn't great for you.

                  Ammonia toxicity is a problem when protein intake exceeds ~200g / day. Which most people don't even come close to hitting, particularly if you are eating to satiety.
                  Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                  Griff's cholesterol primer
                  5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                  Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                  TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                  bloodorchid is always right

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                  • #10
                    Also, high protein means lower fat which means less fat soluble vitamins. Your fat sources need to be very good in terms of vitamins in that case. Eg grass-fed dairy and animal fat rather than coconut oil. Much easier to eat fatty meat, which moderates your protein intake
                    Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                    Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by peril View Post
                      Also, high protein means lower fat which means less fat soluble vitamins. Your fat sources need to be very good in terms of vitamins in that case. Eg grass-fed dairy and animal fat rather than coconut oil. Much easier to eat fatty meat, which moderates your protein intake
                      Actually, veggies provide a LOT of fat soluable vitamins and minerals. This is why cooking them in coconut oil or dousing them in an avacado or olive oil dressing or even just eating them alongside a fatty cut of meat (untrimmed steak over your salad anyone?) increases the bioavailability of the nutrients.
                      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                      • #12
                        "Ammonia toxicity is a problem when protein intake exceeds ~200g / day. Which most people don't even come close to hitting, particularly if you are eating to satiety. "
                        Looking at my records I see I am usually around 200 grams a day, with one day this week at 307 grams. I'll be more careful about that.
                        Staying in ketosis is not important to me, although I am enjoying the even energy level I've had since I started eating primal.
                        Grass fed beef is actually part of why my protein is so high. I've ordered from U.S. Wellness and I have trouble not eating an entire package once its thawed. That stuff is really good. Added to the seafood I've been craving and the eggs for breakfast 1.5 lb of beef heart will get my protein above 200 easy. I've been feeling good so I needed a reason to give up some of my meat for some veggies.
                        Thanks everyone.
                        Last edited by oopie; 04-03-2013, 07:34 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Opine, I can eat a pound of ground beef, seven eggs, and plus whatever residual protein from veggies/other and still only get around 135 grams of protein that day. How big are the packages you are eating?
                          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                          • #14
                            I eat high protein, usually 1-1.5% of my LBM. And every so often, i hit about 200 g/day, usually when i eat something like heart. I figure that my body is trying to get healthy after decades and decades of CW. If i feel great and want the meat, I eat it. In time, I suspect my desire for meat will slow down, but for now, it's healing. As for fat, I simply cannot get that 60-70% so many people reach: i have all kinds of stomach problems trying to do that. But my fat is usually around 35-45%, so it's not like i'm low fat.
                            Your body will tell you. All the threads end up saying it: "LISTEN TO YOUR BODY."

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                            • #15
                              Nutrition & Metabolism | Full text | Dietary protein intake and renal function
                              High protein diet works wonders?

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