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  • #16
    Ultra-polarizing strident declaratives incoming:
    As an observation, CICO is fine.
    As a master control lever, it's busted.

    In my case, modest surplus/deficit will affect my mood and spontaneity short-term, but has no long-term effects. Major surplus/deficit such as travel will show on the scale but never lasts. The only time I see a permanent effect is when I add or remove types of food or activity. How I wish it were as simple as "learn how to burn 1 pound, then rinse and repeat"...
    37//6'3"/185

    My peculiar nutrition glossary and shopping list

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    • #17
      Calories matter and the quality of the calories matter. So it's not cut carbs and automatically lose weight no matter how many calories. It's also not eat all the white sugar you want as long as you're in a calorie deficit either. I did the latter and broke myself pretty bad, not to mention I still didn't end up a bikini model.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #18
        I find that when my surplus calories in are cream and chocolate, my body upregulates temperature to increase calories out.

        The downside of this is that the kids want to crawl into bed with me at night since I'm like a giant hottie.
        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

        Griff's cholesterol primer
        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
        bloodorchid is always right

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        • #19
          Originally posted by unchatenfrance View Post
          Could you please tell this to my ass because I don't think it got the memo on that.
          it would be direct communication cuz op is talking out his/her ass.
          As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

          Ernest Hemingway

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          • #20
            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
            it would be direct communication cuz op is talking out his/her ass.
            LMAO! (pun intended) - you win the internet.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
              I'm like a giant hottie.
              pickies please - and then we will decide if this be true !!!!!!!!!
              "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

              ...small steps....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                I find that when my surplus calories in are cream and chocolate, my body upregulates temperature to increase calories out.

                The downside of this is that the kids want to crawl into bed with me at night since I'm like a giant hottie.
                Yes, especially from the CARBS (and PROTEINS!) in cream and chocholate! The body makes a lot of fuzz to burn the carbs off as energy(=heat), especially when the glycogen is close to be filled up, instead of storing it as bodyfat. The thermic effect of carbs is around 10 %, while the dietary fat get stored with only 0-3 % thermic effect, so almost everything goes for storage. Protein have a thermic effect of around 25- 30 % though, so I bet that your feeling of heat comes mostly from protein and carbs, rather than fat...
                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                - Schopenhauer

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                  I thought this was a paleo forum and we all knew it was white-carbs driving fat accumulation; lower your carbs to 50g and you lose weight no matter your calorie intake or calorie expenditure.
                  Prove it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
                    pickies please - and then we will decide if this be true !!!!!!!!!
                    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                    Griff's cholesterol primer
                    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                    bloodorchid is always right

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                    • #25
                      I'll agree that insulin may help drive fat gain to some extent, but let's be honest... You still have to keep calories to a reasonable level for your needs, even in a low carb (or very low carb) state. It may not be merely as simple as calories in, calories out, but basic physics DOES still apply to human physiology. We are not immune.
                      "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                      • #26
                        KimchiNinja, i love your posts! You act like your an authority but you have no idea what you are talking about. So hilar!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                          I thought this was a paleo forum and we all knew it was white-carbs driving fat accumulation; lower your carbs to 50g and you lose weight no matter your calorie intake or calorie expenditure.
                          This is absolutely, 100% false. It never was true, it never will be true. Your statement basically says that people on paleo forums don't know how to lose weight. I take offense to this. It has always been and always will be caloric excess driving fat storage.
                          Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                          • #28
                            I don't understand paleo forums. This should be as simple as eating real food, but somehow everyone manages to complicate the hell out of something that is supposed to be intuitive and incredibly easy. I don't care if it's steak, potatoes, mangoes or almonds. It's all food. Eat what your body wants you to eat. If you want a potato but you're shoving bacon down your throat until the craving goes away because you're trying to live on some nonexistent carbohydrate curve, you're doing this wrong! If you have a craving for a specific type of meat, a strong fruit craving or a craving for starch, it's probably because your body is missing something in that food. Go with it instead of trying to adhere to artificial macros. Just choose real food sources - pork loin over hot dogs, potatoes over grains, fruit over candy.
                            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                            • #29
                              ^ Wheat is real food, too. In fact, most eat-real-foodies eat wheat. If paleo were as simple as whole foods, it wouldn't be paleo.

                              /off topic

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                              • #30
                                I discovered a way to consume excess fat and not have it stored all as fat.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttC7...VGajEX8RR4o9hg


                                TAKE THAT CICO PROPONANTS!


                                Disclaimer: This unique "metabolic advantage" may have some side effects which include, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, severe bloating, abdominal pain, headaches, panic attacks, severe pain, cramping, etc

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