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  • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    It never ceases to amaze me how childish religionists with simple minds can be in their zeal to drown out other voices by repeating endlessly the same pointless, failed non-arguments and perverting discussions to their own self-serving ways trying to ease their own consiousnesses (sic). They think if they bore everyone else away from a trolling thread they started (and judging by the subsequent actions of the OP, clearly this was intended to be nothing but a trolling thread) they can have the LAST WORD and PROVE they are RIGHT and God exists!1!



    Fail troll. Eat gluten, get celiac, and die. Jesus won't save you.
    RichMahogany attempted to answer the original question with his best try......but you have failed....try again

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    • Originally posted by Mr. Slate View Post
      RichMahogany attempted to answer the original question with his best try......but you have failed....try again
      Troll fails again. Troll tries again. Troll gives self troll points for reposting fail responses. Troll has no real answers for any of the points raised in this thread. But troll must persevere, because someone is wrong on the internet, and Jeebus told troll to endlessly repost until everyone else gives up, which proves troll is RIGHT!

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      • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
        The New Testament was written in the past 2,000 years. Much of the Old Testament was written during the Bronze Age. Such part are basically historical fiction. Other parts predate Judaism and were borrowed from other earlier traditions.
        Fair point. I actually ascribe to this interpretation of the genesis of Genesis (see what I did there?), which would date the story to the early outgrowth of civilization from the Fertile Crescent (e.g. >2000 years ago), but I was talking about the Jesus/bread related stories with regard to the <2000 yrs figure.
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        • Originally posted by Mr. Slate View Post
          RichMahogany attempted to answer the original question with his best try......but you have failed....try again
          Sweet, I have pleased the troll! Do I win a prize?
          Last edited by RichMahogany; 04-01-2013, 06:57 AM. Reason: typo
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          • I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet.

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            • I'm Catholic. First of all early Christians/Catholics did not read Genesis as literal but as allegory. I have a real problem with fundamentalists' interpretations.
              Case in point: The following argumentative quote could have been written yesterday. Instead it was written in late 300AD by Saint Augustine of Hippo. He's chastising what we know call fundamentalist Christians Saint Augustine on Science and Scripture

              The other point is Jesus was a man of his culture and followed his society's precepts. He was not omnipotent. If he was then he wouldn't have been "a man like us in all things but sin" as the verse says.

              Just like acorns are very different from verities of acorn trees, wheat verities aren't created equal. The middle east had at least 8,000 years of hybridizing their strain of wheat. Speculation on my part but that was enough time to minimize the amount of gluten in their strain. Beer was being made in Egypt at that time so yeast was available to make leavened bread. Instead they ate unleavened bread. Maybe that was due to minimal gluten. Today, wheat is grown to increase gluten content.
              Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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              • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                How did Noah fit all those animals on the ark?
                It was much bigger that most of the pictures you see with boats that look like bathtubs. I think the measurements work out to be around 450 ft long. He only had to have two of each kind of animal so he didn't have a wolf and a husky he had two dogs. Also he didn't have to have two full sized T-rexs' he could have used two babies.

                I think our bodies and our daily requirement's have changed since Jesus walked the earth so bread would probably have had different effects on the body

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                • Originally posted by 01tj View Post
                  It was much bigger that most of the pictures you see with boats that look like bathtubs. I think the measurements work out to be around 450 ft long. He only had to have two of each kind of animal so he didn't have a wolf and a husky he had two dogs. Also he didn't have to have two full sized T-rexs' he could have used two babies.

                  I think our bodies and our daily requirement's have changed since Jesus walked the earth so bread would probably have had different effects on the body
                  Oh, I didn't think of baby T-Rexes. Now the whole thing makes perfect sense
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                  • Originally posted by 01tj View Post
                    It was much bigger that most of the pictures you see with boats that look like bathtubs. I think the measurements work out to be around 450 ft long. He only had to have two of each kind of animal so he didn't have a wolf and a husky he had two dogs. Also he didn't have to have two full sized T-rexs' he could have used two babies.
                    A lot of hard work for Noah and his staff collecting all those animal specimens, but maybe the animals knew what was going to happen, and came by their own will? Another task for the staff was also to make sure that all the passengers are not eating each other by keeping them separated! Polar bears and seals, snakes and reptiles, tigers and elephants, eagles and rodents, all the insects etc.,etc., not an easy job administrating that boat…
                    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                    - Schopenhauer

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                    • Originally posted by 01tj View Post
                      It was much bigger that most of the pictures you see with boats that look like bathtubs. I think the measurements work out to be around 450 ft long. He only had to have two of each kind of animal so he didn't have a wolf and a husky he had two dogs. Also he didn't have to have two full sized T-rexs' he could have used two babies.
                      Oh so two of every single species on earth could fit on the Ark cause it was super big?? Gotcha!

                      What about the species of cave fish in Mammoth Cave in KY that are blind, need water to live in, and are found nowhere else in the world? How did they walk to Noah's ark? What about terrestrial plants and fungi? Were there two of those too? If not how did they all get here in the variety we see them in today?

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                      • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                        A lot of hard work for Noah and his staff collecting all those animal specimens, but maybe the animals knew what was going to happen, and came by their own will? Another task for the staff was also to make sure that all the passengers are not eating each other by keeping them separated! Polar bears and seals, snakes and reptiles, tigers and elephants, eagles and rodents, all the insects etc.,etc., not an easy job administrating that boat…
                        Not to mention that 2 members of a species lack the requisite genetic diversity for a species to survive.

                        Risks of Rarity: Genetic Issues Part 2
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                        • Originally posted by Mr. Slate View Post

                          I am the OP, It amazes me how childish adults can be. I ask a simple question and simple minds turn and pervert the discussion to their own self serving ways trying to ease their own consciousnesses.
                          Originally posted by GroksRoyalewCheese View Post
                          How many times are you going to post the same thing troll?


                          I had the pleasure of receiving the consciousness-altering statement in my inbox. Thank God
                          "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                          In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                          - Ray Peat

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                          • Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. [1 Timothy 1.7] -- Augustine of Hippo (A.D. 354-430)
                            Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                            • Originally posted by Scott F View Post
                              Beer was being made in Egypt at that time so yeast was available to make leavened bread. Instead they ate unleavened bread.
                              You seem a bit confused. The unleavened bread is called matzoh, that's what the Jews ate when they were escaping Egypt precisely for the reason that they couldn't wait for the bread to rise. When not running away everyone was eating yeast bread, of course.

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                              • What did they feed the baby T-Rexes?
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